RE: Illegal Immigrants
June 27, 2018 at 12:57 pm
(This post was last modified: June 27, 2018 at 12:59 pm by Brian37.)
(June 26, 2018 at 9:45 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(June 26, 2018 at 8:52 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: How about we follow the procedures in place and look to congress if we don't like them instead of playing 'hey, let's try taking their children away, that'll send a message'.
Ok....Congress passed the laws (some time ago), that separated children from their parents. And to some extent previous administrations did this very same thing. We also separate US citizens from their children when they go to jail as well. The difference now is the zero tolerance policy, where all illegal immigrants are being detained for prosecution. And the way things are now, are not great either. People know that if they bring a kid along (doesn't always have to be their kid), that they would be released and given a court date, which they may or may not show up for. The girl in the picture from Time Magazine, was taken from her father, and two other siblings. The mother just took off, with no regard for the father.
And I believe that the republicans have been trying to change the laws.
Separating a child in this context is not the same as taking a child away from a violent felon or addict or even abuser.
And I don't know what source you are basing this on, but I watched an interview with the agent who stopped them, and he mentioned nothing about the mother simply taking off. He only clarified that while she cried, she stopped crying when he handed her back to the mother.
Now that actually proves my point. The child's discomfort was minutes, not hours, not days not months. The longer the separation the more harm can be done to the kid.
I may not be a migrant, but I can speak on separation because I was adopted. IT DOES have a psychological effect on a kid, voluntary or forced. My biological mother was not forced to give me up, but for economic reasons. Even in that case, even both her and I being legal citizens, it still has a negative effect even in that case. I suffered separation anxiety, and that was already on top of the fact that I now know depression runs in my family. And as an adult, I was told by my social worker who ended up connecting me to my biological family explained that effect, both on the adopted and the family they get separated from.
I think it is wrong to assume everyone who comes here, with or without papers is a violent criminal, the opposite is the case. Of course a kid with a parent in prison even if the parent is American, yes, but you cannot treat the two as equal.
It is wrong to treat adults, much less kids, whom come here as if all are violent criminals. Just like it was wrong to turn away a boat full of Jews in WW2.
Can we or should we stop all deportation? That is not the argument. The real argument cuts to what kind of nation do we want to be? Do we want to base our laws on presumption of guilt, scrap due process and base our laws on fear? I say NO!