RE: Choosing to/not to Believe? Not Possible?
July 1, 2018 at 5:45 pm
(This post was last modified: July 1, 2018 at 7:12 pm by Angrboda.)
(July 1, 2018 at 4:59 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(July 1, 2018 at 3:58 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: "That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
I suspect one can encourage the inclination to love another, or discourage that inclination, but the inclination itself is not a matter of volition. If things were as you say, people would not regularly be ending relationships simply because they no longer love the other person. Surely, simply choosing to love the other person would be more beneficial than giving up what they have already invested in the relationship. What you say makes no sense.
This also suggests, particularly if that love is a choice, that a Muslim will persist in their belief in spite of clear evidence to the contrary, that the Quran is a fraud, and that the proofs are not such. But this is what you are suggesting, that the decision to love or hate is independent of the conditions one finds oneself in, and of the logical force of facts and reason.
Many Muslims do believe without proof, but love of God makes people want to attain certainty and realize his religion upon clear evidence and proofs, that's called being truthful to oneself.
The degree of enough love will drive people to search for proofs of his path and way and religion. While the opposite is also true, those who hate the truth, no matter what evidence is shown, their disease will reject clear proofs.
Or perhaps you've got it backwards. The love of the Muslim drives him to believe things that are untrue, and the atheists hatred for falsehood drives them to reject these diseased Muslims. Do you have anything but your moronic worship of your own opinion to testify to one or the other? No, you cling to this idea that we reject your proofs because we are defective simply because you cannot face the fact that we might reject your proofs because they aren't valid. You're an intellectual coward who stands behind a bunch of slander to avoid facing his own poverty. We don't hate Allah. We don't believe he exists. Nor do we hate truth. We do tend to anger towards deluded fucks who accuse us of being defective simply to protect their own fragile egos, as you do.
Apparently, some Muslims do believe irrationally, yet you consider yourself immune to such possibility, apparently. Upon what do you rest this confidence? You are aware that one of the symptoms of schizophrenia is irrational beliefs.
You must also understand that your statement that "those who hate the truth, no matter what evidence is shown, their disease will reject clear proofs," applies to you as much as to anyone else. You hated the truths of atheism and were inclined to reject them even before you found reason to do so. They made you so anxious that you spent a mere two weeks considering them before you bailed. The evidence is more in favor of you being the one who hates truth and so is diseased and thus rejects clear proof and evidence against your beliefs. So how do you defend against the charge that you are the one who might be diseased and irrationally attached to falsehood?
We even have evidence that Mohammed himself believed that he was under the influence of dark forces. (See 2:25-3:35 in the video)
Furthermore, there appears to be a small positive correlation between a country being Islamic and that country being corrupt. There appears to be a negative correlation between irreligion (atheism) and corruption. This seems to suggest that Muslims are more likely to be under the influence of dark forces than atheists, thus leading to immoral behavior. As the author states in the conclusion section, "Again, it does not follow that Islam causes corruption [it could be that] some other, confounding, characteristic could both cause corruption and lead people to Islam (though it’s not clear what)."
See: Tara does the Stats - is there an Association between Religion and Corruption?
Reading about how Zakir Naik and even Mohammed himself paid people to encourage them to convert to Islam. Apparently the truth of Islam is something that can be secured with silver and gold!
Heehee! Apparently, according to beloved Islamic scholar Zakir Naik, homo sapiens went extinct 500,000 years ago. Yes, apparently love of the Quran does result in certain truth!
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