Intelligence is a Curse

[salty]

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I acknowledge that you don't feel the Bible gives creation enough complexity. It breaks creation down into a mere seven day period and makes it all look so simple. You're right Alei, God deserves more praise, more glory. He deserves to be exalted in every way, because what we find to be extremely complex, he does with a wave of his hand.

...it's so easy to make you angry...and for all your harsh words, what do they do to stop the Christian movement? Nothing. What do they do to stop me from talking about the goodness of God? Nothing. We can keep this battle up all day, but in the end I will be victorious on both accounts.

1. If I am wrong. I have lost nothing by following the teachings that give me patience to endure you and many like you. If I am wrong, you have lost nothing and lived a good life.
2. If I am right. I have lost nothing, I have trusted an eternal and loving God and will be welcomed into his kingdom because I love his justice and righteousness. If I am right, you have lost everything and will be judged according to your deeds. God knows the outcome.

You believe in chance correct? If there's a chance that I'm wrong, there's also a chance that I'm right, because your education can tell you nothing about what happens to the soul after the body dies. Look in your telescope all you want, read all your books, but you will not know what happens until it's your turn. Good luck.

Well we happen to know for a fact (by "we" I mean rational people who would never do something like replace thinking with faith) that there is no chance whatsoever that the story of creation is factual.

It sounds to me like you're jealous of my education. You can't get a proper education because you're not mentally sound. Anyone who says that God created things with a wave of a hand, especially things of which you have no concept, is beyond help. You're doomed to live among the masses of deluded people, and present all the symptoms of a ruined psyche. My education, as it stands, isn't terribly extensive. I have an associates of science in psychology, which is how I know you're coo-coo, and I am working on my bachelors of astrophysics. I am proud to maintain a 4.0, and be at the top of my class.

I don't know anything about your education, but I really don't have to know anything about it because you're a creationist, which is the equivalent of being a 1st grader waiting for Santa.

I know nothing of any god's justice. I've actually read the bible, and I didn't see any justice. I'm pretty sure that all those babies who died the night god brought himself into the world to "Save us", sure didn't feel like god was being just. Didn't he know Herod would do that? Fuck, he knows enough about discretion to give all his fans not a particle of evidence he exists, you'd think he'd know how to keep his first coming under wraps so all those mothers wouldn't have had to watch their babies being run through with swords.

Righteous is a big word. It means being correct. Until you can prove that you're correct, don't let it hurt your brain by forming the word.

If you're right, and he will judge me by my deeds, then I don't have to worry about anything. I'm a very nice, giving, and loving person... so why should I have any fear? The difference between my goodness and your goodness, is mine is not based on fear. I'm good because I desire to be good. I have a conscience that's based purely upon compassion and love for my fellow man, however deluded most of them can be.

You basically just admitted that you're taking the safe road. You have nothing to lose either way, so... You don't know what you're losing. The more you know, the more you know you don't know... but since you know you're right, you actually know nothing, and don't even know it.

In the meantime-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqIL7MXotkc

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If all this makes you feel better, then so be it. I think you have some misconceptions of yourself because of your education. You call me deluded, yet you feel you're a compassionate person, have you read any of the things you've said to me lately? Clearly you don't look over your shoulder to consider how you treat others, therefore you do not know what it means to be forgiving and kind. If we had someone evaluate the two of us through our posts, they would certainly maintain that you are defending your ego and your point of view with tactics that declare you have resentment issues with the deity called God, which extends to his followers and even people you do not know in person. Wouldn't you agree that people are different in person, not because they will say different things, but beacuse they have shown themselves in the flesh? Haven't you noticed that I have no need to attack your beliefs because they do not hinder me or scare me? Haven't you noticed that you are angry with an invisible force that "cannot" exist, that kills children, smashing their heads against rocks. Why isn't your passionate disgust directed at the millions of mothers that disassemble their children in the womb through abortion, using instruments to pull them into pieces and cut off their limbs. Why aren't you going after them, instead of a dusty old book that has "made up stories" about people doing killing people? At least, as far as you believe, these stories aren't true, but abortion is happening everyday, around the world. Aleia, stop defending your ego and open your eyes. I am not your enemy and neither is God.

Also, it's easy to be compassionate to people you like, but being compassionate with people you don't like, that's when virtue really shows. Show me this virtue you speak of, respond to me with some respect.

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Salty, a few of us have partially defended you to some of the more aggressive respondents on the basis of your courtesy and apparent sincerity. Since then, you've become substantially less impressive to me. You've spent a lot of time basically preaching, dedicating a lot of time to my fairly flippant question about heaven and ignoring the far more pertinent questions about evidence against a young Earth. When will you actually be getting round to addressing the quite simply undeniable evidence that the Earth is far older than you believe and the flood and Exodus never happened?

You've also shown how flimsy your faith is by invoking Pascal's Wager, which Rhythm has already pointed out is a very obvious fallacy.

It's becoming a really poor showing from you. Better get to addressing the evidence against a young Earth. Your mental acrobatics are ambitious but getting boring.

El Dinero,
I am one person. I am the only one defending Christianity while there are many defending atheist views. I did not come here to impress you instead I invite you to be patient with me as others have been. I'm answering these questions the best I can, with the knowledge I have right now. I have been provided a link for Evolution, I have been provided a link for Pascal's Wager and for the young earth theory. I will look over them and I will respond in due time. I noticed that I skipped a question of yours on heaven, sorry, I will look back to see if it's something I can address now. In the meantime I am addressing people one at a time in the order they posted.

What I can tell you now:
1. I still believe in a young earth because I believe that the Bible is a credible source for history, not because I have proved otherwise. I am open to believing that the earth may be old and I will look over the information provided.
2. I appreciate people defending me, which is something they do of their own accord based on their own experiences with me. Why do you feel the need to defend me? Have your thoughts of me changed so quickly, with people posting things while I am away? I haven't backed down, there's no need to. I can admit that I'm wrong and have faith at the same time. El Dinero, let time tell you what kind of person I am, let my responses to you speak for me. I have no problem with acquiring another enemy, but I do not want to lose a friend before he/she actually knows me, for me.
3. If you've read any of my posts you'll see that I am not scientifically minded. I have the ability to understand some scientifc things, but I have not desired it in the past, it is only my connection to this forum that demands more scientific knowledge of me, which is good. Have mercy on me for not knowing some things and for defending my honor in the midst of some angry responses. I must make it known that I am a Christian, but that doesn't make me a wimp.

What say you, El Dinero? Will you give me some time?

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No. When I didn't believe I was pretty sure that I would get something good because I rarely ever got into trouble and I was pretty nice.

Get something from who?

My faith in Jesus came when I decided to invite him to reign over my life. It was a trial period. If he didn't do anything, then I was done with Jesus, if he did something, then I knew he was real and I would follow him. He showed up and I was hooked.

How did Jesus 'show up'?

I believed there was a God, but I didn't know who he was, just thought of him as someone on a cloud watching me.

Jesus showed up after I invited him into my life. I walked into high school one morning and everything seemed to be moving slowly, like I wasn't there, I heard something...inside me? I heard a voice ask me, "Is this what you want?" I knew immediately that the voice wanted to know if I wanted to stay the way that I was or if I really wanted a change. I answered that I wanted to change.

From then on things started changing in my life, when I read the Bible I didn't fall asleep anymore I actually understood what it was saying. When I prayed it felt like a huge weight had been lifted off of me, like he was telling me that he could hear me. My attitude and the way I view other people shifted dramatically.

Thanks for asking.