‘Nothing short of treasonous’

[Mister Agenda]

Yeah, the party in power when we overthrew the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan was in the wrong, I'll admit it. The role we played in Libya under a different administration was also a mistake, which was my opinion at the time as well. What Russia is doing to us, we shouldn't do to other countries. It's not okay.

Clarify your post MA. Not sure what you mean by this.

But to me, Afghanistan was wrong in that we could have easily without blowing our budget did what Obama finally did. But even with that we got sucker punched with 9/11 and sorry, you punch me I am coming after you.

Iraq I totally agree, that was a disaster.

But as far as trying equate our spying on even the USSR when it was around, vs their spying on us back then, it still does not change for me, that I do not want to live under tyranny, and the Baltic states that finally broke free when THE USSR a couple have been taken back by Putin, and others are whom are still our allies are very nervous that they are going to get sucked back into the old ways. And Merkel, who lived it doesn't want Putin on his border, and I don't blame her.

I think it is wrong to make global politics always isolationism or always expansion.

I'm sure you meant: Please clarify your post, MA.

Afghanistan did not attack the USA on 9/11. It was Al Qaeda terrorists. By nationality, the hijackers were mostly Saudis and IIRC, none were Afghanis. Although the Afghani government wasn't inclined to let US forces run around their country to apprehend the orchestrator of the attack (also not an Afghani), a whole-scale invasion was unwarranted, and Osama bin Laden was finally captured with the borders of our 'ally', Pakistan, no invasion necessary. But it was a different administration who managed that.

Our adventures in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya destabilized the region (further) and played a significant role in the formation and equipping of ISIS, which exacerbated the situation in Syria, although that country was headed for trouble anyway.

I'm not talking about routine spying, I'm talking about cyber-espionage and propaganda offensives aimed at influencing the outcome of elections. The Russians shouldn't do it, and neither should we. IMHO.

I hope that clarifies my position, sorry for not being more clear in the first place.