(July 30, 2018 at 8:19 am)KaiBerg02 Wrote: Ok first of all. Its called Social Democracy, there's a difference.
To sum it up. Social democracy is capitalism with social programs like welfare, health care. Capitalism is the main economic model, get it?
If you go with what Bernie wants, it would be more on the level of Venezuela. Meaning democratic socialism means using democracy to vote in socialism, thats it. And yes, norway is just as much socialist country as Japan is, meaning we arent. "atleast mainframe society model is not".
So i am kinda tired of this lie that we are socialist. Socialism is just as bad as fascism. Socialists are reality deniers, fascists are against the weak, they should both go out in the woods and just kiss and stay there. Problem solved. Either case liberals and conservatives are cool though
Like its also problem if you live in fantasy land to if you can or cannot do it. Norway it is possible due to how little we are also to how much immigrants we can manage and yeah. With USA i guess its a bigger population so i dont know how much of a challenge its gonna be with a safety net there.
But let me tell you this. If you truly vote communism or socialism, well prepare for the bolsheviks and drying up the economy. I mean if you think USA is bad now "I mean i dont think its terrible, think its hammed up in media and angsty people who lacks safety net" but in either case if you think its bad now, just wait til it goes all red.
Edit: One more thing. If its just a label error. Well fix it, if it was me i would not trust a guy who uses wrong label. I mean he may really be disingenous and just using countries that can sell his fantasy to vote. If he doesnt fixes this problem and if it was me i would honestly not vote for it, because if he really is gonna turn USA all red, well yeah. He may be a manipulative liar. I mean some can argue its US politician type of game where people vote on how nice cover is and not so much what is inside it. Well either way if it was me i would not do it. Sounds like a trap to me
"Capitalism" IS NOT a form of government.
China allows the private sector, all anyone has to do is shop at a local Wal Mart and look at the "made in" on the majority of the products sold. The Saudi Royal family are RICH, and own oil companies and banks and invest in the global weapons industry. Fidel Castro had an estimated personal wealth of $800million. Gadaffi was a billionaire who owned stock in General Electric.
The is not one country, friend or foe alike, that does not invest in the global market.
Our GOP masturbates over the prospect of making our economy like China's. No workers rights based on a slave wage economy. Nobody on the left wants us to become Venezuela. That country is a failure, not because of any American liberal ideas, it is a failure because of CORRUPTION.
The GOP screwed our country and started our decline with Reagan's failed Trickle down "don't tax the rich" bullshit. The took us away from the post WW2 policies that invested in and built our middle class. The GOP has borrowed and borrowed to fund billionaire tax breaks that only create short term artificial gains that always end up in a future bubble.
LONG TERM it is unsustainable to add to the long term debt created by tax breaks for billionaires. None of what I just said is advocating for Stalin's communism nor Castro's Cuba. But I am getting fucking sick of the false slur that workers do not have enough of a voice in congress that somehow that means we want a dictatorship and no private sector.
Bernie nor most liberals for that matter, DO NOT WANT a nanny state. We do want livable wages for workers and affordable health care and cheaper higher education. You DO NOT create independence and get more off the government dime if all you do is explode the pay gap. You create more independence by creating social stability so that people can do things on their own.
Libertarians and the GOP only care about 1 class, the billionaire class and that is the only class they serve.
