RE: Norway is not a democratic socialist country. Bernie is lying
July 30, 2018 at 11:44 am
(This post was last modified: July 30, 2018 at 11:50 am by I_am_not_mafia.)
(July 30, 2018 at 11:31 am)KaiBerg02 Wrote: So because exploitation exists within capitalistic model you are saying go red and let everybody starve?. Not really seeing how that utopia is gonna look like or how productive its gonna be. How about just call out the corrupt institutions and make other countries productive.
No. I am saying that there are many aspects of reality that are denied by capitalism and also refuting your assertion that it is good for everybody. It inherently is not good for everyone by design. Capitalism cannot function without there being losers who get exploited and discarded.
What I am saying is that due to the challenges the human race now face, it is entirely fucked if it relies on capitalism. We need a collective response to overcome what we are facing, and even then we might very well not manage it.
Add to that increased automation, there is even more need now for the means of production to be taken out of the hands of a few individuals.
(July 30, 2018 at 11:31 am)KaiBerg02 Wrote: Not really seeing how that utopia is gonna look like or how productive its gonna be. How about just call out the corrupt institutions and make other countries productive.
Did you even read what I posted or understand it? Who is talking about a utopia? Who is talking about corruption? Not me. Stop making a strawman argument.
It is not as simple as saying we can just make other countries more productive. In terms of the long emergency this actually just makes the problem worse.
Society is dependent on finite resources that are fast running out.
By the way, you still haven't provided an example of a socialist country that is not communist.
