(August 2, 2018 at 8:50 am)alpha male Wrote:You'd think that ICE had been around for 60 years lol(August 2, 2018 at 8:44 am)The Industrial Atheist Wrote: My stance is that I don't want open borders. But I think those that have been here a certain time and have behaved themselves(while working) should have a path towards citizenship. They are Americans in most of the ways that count. I think those from South America and Central America that have come here legitimately to obtain refugee status should be looked at and treated humanely.
I think this is pretty close to what most average Democrat politicians would say.
Most average? Maybe. The problem is that it's the open boarders/abolish ICE sector of the party that gets most of the press, and the average Democrats (if they believe as you think) don't do anything to rein them in.
Same with racism. The average Democrat politician probably doesn't think that every person who voted for Trump is a racist, but that's the message that's getting out.
Another thing:
IMO Republicans are better at recognizing that there's far right, middle right, middle, middle left, and far left.
A lot of Dems seem to see only two groups: themselves and far right.
IOW, when they paint the real far right in a certain way, they paint so broadly that some in the middle feel included, and are offended.
They were instituted during the Bush years and seem better at abusing people in custody (including sexual abuse) and harassing brown citizens than stopping people from coming here illegally. They're too corrupt.
Abolishing ICE doesn't mean no immigration control. We can beef up other agencies or perhaps start something different and less perverse. It's rotten to the core.
https://theintercept.com/2018/04/11/immi...e-ice-dhs/
https://www.salon.com/2017/08/29/ice-wan...n-custody/
I think you have a point regarding accuracy and fairness about peoples stances. Most Americans really aren't that big on political terminology, anyway. I've been guilty of saying "right" instead of "far right" sometimes myself.
You have to at least know where you agree and disagree, at minimum.
