(August 8, 2018 at 5:51 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:(August 8, 2018 at 5:06 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: If a god made the universe who or what made the god?
We don't know what started the universe, but "we don't know" does not mean "god did it" it just means we don't know (yet)
I honestly don't have a problem with some concept of an unmoved mover. My issue stems from anthropomorphizing it. Theists like to claim that there's a willful intent at play because the universe is 'fine-tuned' for life, but that's a conclusion stemming from a sample size of one. I can easily imagine that this universe (and others) are simply the byproduct of some other process, with our existence not necessarily being intended at all.
Sure. If it was true, if wouldn't give one shit and I don't know why anyone would.
However, to try and declare it true, you have to exclude lots of other possibilities which we just don't have the ability to do at the moment. Instead they are hand waved away, or deemed impossible because the theist finds them absurd or unacceptable. Arguments are not evidence, never have been, never will be.
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