Peterson's 12 Rules For Life, have you heard of this?

[Amarok]

Well, let's take Tizheruk's issue with dream catchers as an example of me trying to participate in the identity politics.  I made the argument that cultural appropriation of natives was relevant, precisely because certain traditions hold value to people with a certain identity.  One of our members (I think I remember but I don't want to say the name in case I got it wrong) told him in no uncertain terms to go fuck himself, and I felt that such an off-hand dismissal was unnecessarily insensitive. I even suggested (to my current disappointment with myself) that the person involved was an entitled white oppressor, and should more seriously consider the plight of poor Tiz and his downtrodden people.

1. It  was Jess and Shelly B

2. I never asked for your help (but still appreciate  it)

3. Jess and Shell were actually right all along i took things too far and i say that with great pain 

So, Tiz and I are best buds now, right?  He deeply appreciated my willingness to go to bat for him, to support him, and to stand up to several pages of verbal lashings on his behalf, right?

Nope we are not friends  but i do still  appreciate it . I may not like you and most of what you think but still appreciate  that one act .

Nope.  Tiz is so busy thinking about himself, about what he believes and demands that everyone else must believe, he's so busy smelling his own farts, that he can't remember any of that.

I remember it well with some admitted embarrassment and sadness that i ruined a friendship with Jess over it .But that does mean i don't appreciate  that one act .But were not friends .

That's fine.  Tiz is not under any particular compulsion to like me, and part of the nature of forums is that people often end up disliking those who express ideas contrary to their own.

I don't but that's aside the fact of what you did .

But from my perspective, there's a clear lesson there: there's no benefit for me in standing up for anyone else.  Nobody's going to praise me for trying to be virtuous-- they are going to say I'm "virtue signalling," and use any good I've attempted to do as yet another way to put me in a box and to discard my opinions. Hire all black staff in a country where black people are almost ALWAYS rejected with prejudice? Oh. . . you're just doing it out of guilt/pride/anxiety. It's literally a climate in which I feel NO MATTER WHAT I DO, there cannot be any positive outcome for me.

I never uttered a single word like that and i still don't now regardless of my dislike of you .

But I have every right just to walk away from it all. "I don't give a shit anymore" is a perfectly rational position from someone who's tried, and not felt sufficiently rewarded for the effort.

It really isn't

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One particular Comment by Benny stands out to me and always have

So if you are "native enough" by your genetics, that means that you get to disregard Tizheruk's feelings about his culture, and the icons which represent it? If you are, in fact, native, then you would not be guilty of cultural appropriation, by any definition, for using a symbol associated with your own heritage. So what are you even talking about? If you had come into the thread and said, "I'm native, but I don't think it's a problem if white people own a dream catcher just because they like it," then your view would have been relevant to the discussion I was having with Tizheruk at that time.