RE: Peterson's 12 Rules For Life, have you heard of this?
August 16, 2018 at 6:03 am
(This post was last modified: August 16, 2018 at 6:16 am by bennyboy.)
(August 16, 2018 at 1:21 am)Khemikal Wrote: I don't think you have been. I think you've perceived things in this way. The left has not aligned itself against you...you are a nobody.In my contact with people whose world views reflect those expressed in general by the PC left, that has been my experience of things. That I can identify the tenets of their world view easily, and see them reflected here and elsewhere, is sufficient for me to conclude that the left is sufficiently homogeneous to be thought of as an entity.
As for me being a nobody-- well, that idea bothers me very little. But I have the illusion of agency, and when I'm interacting with these people, I find the experience unpleasant and unprofitable-- financially, emotionally, intellectually, pretty much by every metric of evaluating interpersonal relationships.
Quote:Are we talking about the facism of the left..even..a novel concept on it's face..or just a few assholes?Oh, absolutely we're talking about the fascism of the left. But by that I don't mean that the left are all fascists, only that 1) I don't really think the cultural appropriation and the ze/zir assholes and so on actually do represent the left; 2) This subculture clearly intends to use annoyance and feigned outrage to prevent people from either stating simple truths as facts, or from attempting a dialog on issues that they've unilaterally decide are open and shut cases.
In other words, it's a subculture which expresses traditionally leftist memes, but with a level of aggression and intolerance that I can only really see in full-on fascist ideologies. I embrace homosexuality as an expression of personal liberty, for example. I absolutely refuse, however, to be told how I am allowed to think or to express my thoughts, with regard to gender issues.
I'd liken the relationship between leftist fascists (as I call them) and the normal sane left much like I'd liken the relationship between terrorist bombers and the normal sane Muslims. The former cannot exist without the base provided by the latter, and the latter, in turn, have very little interest in stepping up and restraining the actions of the former.
Quote:You keep talking about identity politics..but is it at all possible that you've deceived yourself, and are..in fact, the only person engaged in identity politics in any of the particulars of this conversation?No, I don't think so. When I have a black employee pull the race card to get out of contract obligations, or to elevate simple complaints to serious headaches, then I'd say this person is making an implied threat: that if someone of my ID attempts to argue in any regard with someone of their ID, I'm going to be have to taught a lesson-- and this lesson will come in an inappropriate form-- shouting in front of customers and so on.
That I will tell my stories of woe and have you saying things like "Awww man. . . so hard to be a white man!" then I can see pretty clearly that the ID categories are real, and that there are prejudices in place which determine how they should interact.
It's a word that's pretty new to me-- if I'm using it wrongly, I'll have to spend more time with it. If I'm doing it, then that doesn't really matter much to me.
Quote:Quote:"Dick" is just shorthand for "refuse to adopt my world view, and unapologetic about it."To whom? That's certainly not how I use the word....that sounds like an identity politics way to use the word.
I'm not really to worried about the terminology. The fact is that there are identifiable groups who express world views hostile to mine, and that various types of attempts on my part to interact with members of these groups have been unproductive, annoying, and sometimes downright tilting.
I don't really mind being a hypocrite. I don't much care if someone else feels I'm expressing white male identity politics, for example. What I care about is living my life as unfettered as possible from other people's bullshit. If they decide that I'M in the wrong and to be avoided, then so much for the better, methinks.