Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, Round 2

[CapnAwesome]

I don't think the motive of the cake should matter at all. It's probably true that the customer who goes to that specific bakeshop is trying to stir shit up, but so is the bake shop.

Motive for having a cake should be irrelevant. I was split on this issue before, because I don't necessarily think you should be able to force goods and services from unwilling people, but what, do you need to fill out a correct form to get a cake? The motive of you ordering a cake shouldn't matter. I'm almost certain these people would deny Atheist weddings a cake. What else could be more against their religious beliefs? I grew up in a small town with a single baker, local monopolies like that exist everywhere and that means that whole groups of people will be denied access to certain goods or services. Do we need a seperate baker for each religion in each town? Seems ridiculous.

They can have cake. They just can't have a custom made cake. The shop also doesn't do Halloween cakes.

I don't see that an artist should be forced to create anything that is asked of him. That's ridiculous.

Well we don't really know all the circumstances, but I would wager a guess that they would bake an identical cake to the one described if it were for a Christian baptism.

If that's true that means their objection is to the person, which really isn't any of the baker's business. I'd be curious though if they ask what the cake is for, or if that information was volunteered.

Either way, I was undecided on this before, because like you I don't think artists or really anyone should be forced to produce anything they don't want to. But that doesn't really seem to be what's going on.

The cake order described doesn't sound that special. It doesn't sound like a gay cake or a trans cake. Its not being asked to have two brides on it. It just sounds like a run of the mill cake that could be used to celebrate anything.

If they would make that same cake for a different person or a different celebration. It's just plain and simple bigotry. It's also strikes me that it's not really any of the baker's business what the cakes are used for.