RE: Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, Round 2
August 20, 2018 at 5:25 pm
(This post was last modified: August 20, 2018 at 5:31 pm by Angrboda.)
(August 20, 2018 at 12:51 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(August 20, 2018 at 12:45 pm)Kit Wrote: The law is not based around "whatever", but instead on deeper meanings such as discrimination.
The baker should be entitled to bake. That alone is the point. When the baker includes politics, he includes his prejudice.
So does the law say a Baker is allowed to refuse services only to some causes/events and not others, and then list all the acceptable ones?
From my reading of the court opinion, a baker may not refuse to provide service to a protected class if his religious objection violates a neutral and generally applicable law, such as Colorado's law concerning public accommodations. What wasn't decided, however, is whether there is a free speech exception to be made, and whether such an objection applies in the case of the baker. If baking a cake is an artistic expression, it would seem to fall under the purview of free speech, and the court has historically ruled that speech cannot be compelled. So that issue is outstanding in this case.
(August 20, 2018 at 1:55 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(August 20, 2018 at 11:19 am)possibletarian Wrote: Oh come now you evil atheist.... can you think of anything more evil, more despicable, more un-american than asking a baker to bake cakes for money ?
Unamerican is using government power to compel labor from people and forcing them to express values violating their conscience.
Compelling labor? The baker has already committed to serving protected classes by hanging out his shingle. The state doesn't consider that compulsion. You shouldn't either, but I realize that if you can twist words to argue your conservative and Christian talking points, that's what you will do. Whether he is being compelled to express any values or not is still to be decided by the courts. Personally I'd rather not have the courts deciding which products are examples of free expression or not, but that seems the road we're headed down.
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