RE: Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, Round 2
August 21, 2018 at 6:42 pm
(This post was last modified: August 21, 2018 at 6:46 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(August 21, 2018 at 6:00 pm)Tiberius Wrote: The line/test for me is: would the baker refuse to bake the same cake if the use was not obvious.
So to clarify, if the cake was completely generic, but the customer just so happened to mention (without being asked) that it was for a particular cause, the Baker still has to make it since the cake itself is generic? Even if he was told what it was for and strongly opposes the cause?
(August 21, 2018 at 6:40 pm)Lucanus Wrote:(August 21, 2018 at 6:34 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm not advocating that the Baker should ask what the cake is for. I should have made clear that my examples were for if the people requesting the cake voluntarily mentioned what it was for... would the baker then be allowed to refuse to make it if it was for a cause/event he strongly opposed? It doesn't have to be for religious reasons, either. It could be personal moral reasons that have nothing to do with their religion. Like BennyBoy said, he would have refused to make a cake if he knew it was for a Jewish circumcision celebration.
Tbf I think there is a threshold for "personal moral reasons". If I refused to bake a Neo Nazi's birthday cake with designs of swastikas and other Nazi imagery that would be reasonable.
So that is my question. How would the law go about dictating what would and would not be allowed to be refused? The swastika drawings, I get. What if the cake was generic (no swastikas on it), but the customer voluntarily told you it was for a white supremacist gathering. Should you be legally allowed to refuse?
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