RE: Christians: What line are you unwilling to cross for God?
August 23, 2018 at 12:04 pm
(This post was last modified: August 23, 2018 at 12:11 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(August 23, 2018 at 6:03 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:(August 22, 2018 at 5:35 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: For what it is worth, we certainly don't consider communion to be cannibalism. And we oppose cannibalism.
It is true that we believe Jesus is physically present in the eucharist in a way that is not fully understood (hence why we refer to this as a great mystery). But it is, nonetheless, in the form of a wafer or bread... not raw human meat.
Thanks for answering, though.
It’s worth absolutely nothing that you would consider what you believe to be the eating of human flesh to not be cannibalism. The meaning of cannibalism is defined by the dictionary, not your doctrine nor personal cognitive dissonance.
I agree. Which is why I found it strange for an atheist who certainly doesn't believe the eucharist is anything other than an ordinary cracker, to consider it cannibalism.
Since I'm sure he doesn't think Jesus is physically present in the eucharist in any way, I assumed he was referring to it being crude for us Catholics to do something we consider cannibalism. ....But we in fact don't consider it cannibalism. Which is what I was telling him. And he doesn't either. So I'm not sure why he's so disturbed by communion being cannibalism, when neither one of us believes it is.
(August 23, 2018 at 4:33 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:(August 22, 2018 at 5:35 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: For what it is worth, we certainly don't consider communion to be cannibalism. And we oppose cannibalism.You are being disingenuous.
It is true that we believe Jesus is physically present in the eucharist in a way that is not fully understood (hence why we refer to this as a great mystery). But it is, nonetheless, in the form of a wafer or bread... not raw human meat.
Thanks for answering, though.
As a former catholic, it IS ritual cannibalism. Trying to pretend it isn't is dishonest.
If that is what you thought, then you were a rather ignorant Catholic: https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online...-cannibals
As I said. We do not consider it cannibalism.
^in case you didnt click, here is an excerpt:
Quote:In the Eucharist, after the priest consecrates the bread and wine and they are, in fact, transubstantiated into the body, blood, soul and divinity of our Lord, our Lord is then entirely present. Neither bread nor wine remains. However, the accidents of bread and wine (size, weight, taste, texture) do remain. Hence, the essential reason why Catholics are not guilty of cannibalism is the fact that we do not receive our Lord in a cannibalistic form. We receive him in the form of bread and wine. The two are qualitatively different.
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