RE: Peterson's 12 Rules For Life, have you heard of this?
August 23, 2018 at 5:05 pm
(This post was last modified: August 23, 2018 at 5:31 pm by bennyboy.)
(August 23, 2018 at 4:11 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You've spent this entire thread repeating the lines of others..verbatim, and then trying to convince me that you didn't get them from those others, or anywhere. That you keep getting things wrong is bad enough...but your complete inability to realize the origin of those talking points is what really sets my "lolwhitey" engine a revvin. The american right has sold you on a few key items of completely non factual propaganda. They began to sing that tune in the 70's, and now their baby is all grown up.
David Duke Wrote:When I said that in the case of natives, I support a blanket demographic support, was THAT also an expression of alt-right indoctrination? When I said many pages ago that I felt black people should rise up and take power if that was their goal, and that I would respect them for that, would you say THAT was an expression of alt-right indoctrination? When I said that prisoners should be offered release conditional on contracts with financial incentives for success and released from prison, was THAT an expression of alt-right indoctrination?
I'm telling you that if you look at ALL my arguments, you'll see one common thread. I believe in liberty, defined as the capacity for individuals to form plans for their betterment and to follow them. Where right-wing politics support liberty, I will side with the right wing. Where left-wing politics support liberty, I will side with the left wing. Where any political ideas are expressed in limiting my own liberties, I will speak against them in no uncertain terms.
I also believe in responsibility, because when contracts are made, they are an exchange of services or monies in the promotion of the liberty of each party; each party has an expectation that the agreement will serve to improve his capacity to follow his plans for betterment in his life. So when an employee shows up with no sick note, spouting race-based political memes in lieu of accepting responsibility, then I don't need to be indoctrinated to call bullshit, and to identify what politics that particular bullshit stems from.
Now, to circle around to the OP, I have to say-- what Peterson said about C-16 seemed to be bullshit. But I linked a video (Shepherd's tribunal) which showed it being used as a basis not for promotion of liberty, but clearly (and explicitly, no less) for the limiting of free speech. Unless that was one crazy person, which I doubt, then I have to believe that there are more cases similar to that. The overwhelming confidence which her interview expressed in castigating her shows that he feels he has some support-- an expectation that his expression is shared by a great many people. I'm not saying that they are THE PC Left, but I certainly would say that they are among them. I likened the more militant and closed-minded among the PC left to terrorists, if you'll recall-- in that while only a small group of them are really malicious, they are not lacking in sympathy or support from the group on the whole. That dynamic is dangerous.
Peterson, then, may not just be talking shit out of hatred at all. He may, being a Canadian professor, be aware of other cases like Shepherd's. He may have heard of students' frustrations with regard to their own free speech. I'm not sure. But I've enjoyed some of his interviews, been puzzled by others, and downright disliked some of his positions. I do not know why he apparently calls women a force for chaos, and I'm confused by the number of intellectual women who seem not only to agree with him, but to treat some of the apparently sexist things he says as known facts.
That being said, I do not think that any sensible person can look at him and just see him as an alt-right job. He's not just shouting memes and waving flags-- he has a point in everything he says, so far as I can tell, and he's prepared to substantiate his claims and support his positions.