(September 1, 2018 at 9:16 am)Khemikal Wrote:(September 1, 2018 at 9:13 am)PRJA93 Wrote: Okay, and maybe what you're saying is perfectly true, maybe it isn't. I really don't know and don't care. The point I'm making is information is just information. Racism comes in when someone uses that information to discriminate against a certain group or justify hatred for a group. That's all. So if we agree fine.
We do agree, the trouble is that scientific racism serves no other purpose, and isn't science.
Quote:And yea, you are the one turning it into hate. Even if it were true that people of one racial group were less intelligent than another because of hereditary factors - that's not racist. That would just be a statement of fact, if it were true. I'm not saying it is with any group and I'd be hard-pressed to be convinced of that, but we have to be careful about simply noting differences between people versus using those differences as a justification for actual racism. If you agree, then cool.You mean, if people weren't making further claims on the back of scientific racism that they are making..both in the wider world and in thread..it wouldn't be racist?
Sure, okay, but people are making those further claims on the back of scientific racism in the wider world and in the thread..and it is racist...so...?
People pointing at these things aren't "simply noting difference"...and the differences they're noting, tend to be some pretty ridiculous and thoroughly dishonest shit. Though it helps, massively, to provide cover for their racism..and racism in general, to say that, and for them to convince others of that. To frame the narrative, avoid scrutiny, and use the contents of that lie to delegitimize positions opposing racism.
Someone promoting false information makes them misinformed or maybe dishonest, not necessarily racist.
I think we should all be careful about throwing that term around just like we should all be careful about the information we share with one another. At least if we're in pursuit of more knowledge, which I think most people on this forum, including you and me, are.
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