Absolute morality isn't subject to human opinion, as I said. Every human being may be able to ignore their conscience and say something is right when it isn't, but it won't change whether it is absolutely right or wrong. Widespread disagreement on morality has no bearing on the existence of absolute morality.
We may disagree on what our conscience tells us, but mine tells me the Holocaust is absolutely wrong. Perhaps you could explain what yours tells you?
We may disagree on what our conscience tells us, but mine tells me the Holocaust is absolutely wrong. Perhaps you could explain what yours tells you?
(September 20, 2011 at 8:04 am)Zen Badger Wrote:(September 20, 2011 at 7:30 am)lucent Wrote: Absolute morality is morality that is static and unchanging, based on absolute values of right and wrong. Therefore, it is not subject to change due to human opinion. It does not change because God does not change. Therefore, absolute morality is impossible without God.
Absolute morality requires unchanging values for good and evil
Human opinions on these values change all the time
Therefore absolute morality is impossible for human beings
Therefore, humans are left with subjective morality, or morality by concensus. Since right and wrong are values subject to change by human opinion, what is moral is determined by the largest agreement on those values. Under this model, anything good at one time may become evil at another time, and vice versa, due to changing opinions on the values of right and wrong.
Therefore, under subjective morality, the holocaust could be declared morally right. If enough people agreed that the holocaust was good, it would be morally justified.
Therefore, since subjective morality could justify the holocaust it must be discarded as system of morality. The reason it must be discarded is because we know the holocaust is absolutely wrong. We know the holocaust is absolutely wrong because we all have a God given conscience which tells us right from wrong. Since we know the holocaust is absolutely wrong, we know morality is absolute and not subjective. Since morality is absolute, and absolute morality is impossible without God, God exists.
Since there are plenty of people even now who think the Holocaust was a good thing(christians included) your argument is invalid.
An objective(or absolute) morality would not allow deviation. How could it?
Physical laws are objective( gravity, E=mc2) etc.
You might not like them but you have to obey them.
All morality is subjective, because for every act or thought you think is wrong there WILL be lots of people who think it ok(or even fun).
And since there is no "absolute" morality your argument for god is also invalid.
