RE: Peterson's 12 Rules For Life, have you heard of this?
September 8, 2018 at 11:04 pm
(This post was last modified: September 8, 2018 at 11:09 pm by bennyboy.)
(September 8, 2018 at 10:38 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Also, it's one thing to consider IQ differences and their correlation with success in American Society and another thing entirely to make blanket statements about race and IQ, especially when one fails to discuss the nuance of what IQ actually is and its relationship with intelligence.
No doubt. There are arguments about cultural bias, and about whether there even IS such a thing as the so-called "g" value. There are also the same issues with SAT tests.
But the context of this discussion is about the correlation between IQ (which can be measured) and income (which can be measured), and not between intelligence (which can't really be measured) or human value (which can't really be measured).
Also refer to post #612 where I introduced the issue:
Quote:Please note that all of this is quite explicitly racist. But when you look at a lot of correlations, you see that being black correlates with IQ, with crime, with poverty, with certain diseases, and so on-- it's quite the cluster of correlations. And it's easy to see that any one of these could have a causal effect on the others or that they could feed off of each other in nasty ways-- and knowing which causes which (or whether it's a vicious circle) matters when it comes to actually deciding how to solve the problem-- with more than lip service, but with steps intended actually to get to the root of the problem.
And then in post #617:
Quote:Anyway, back to the alt-right script. Do you agree that there's an IQ difference, and that IQ correlates with income, or do you deny this to be the case?
There are several possibilities:
1) The test is bullshit (either it's culturally biased, or it doesn't actually measure intelligence that matters)
2) The results are either a lie, or are reported in a way so biased that it constitutes fraud.
3) Black people, on average, are in fact not as intelligent as white people, on average, and this hurts their chance to generate income.
So you see, I acknowledged the kind of objections you're making, and put them forward myself, right from the start. Those are the kinds of things you need to consider before you decide what policies to make. Who is or isn't a witch might matter to witch-hunters, but a little more research might point to the real cause of the plague.
