Objective Morality?

[DeistPaladin]

Absolute morality is morality that is static and unchanging, based on absolute values of right and wrong. Therefore, it is not subject to change due to human opinion. It does not change because God does not change. Therefore, absolute morality is impossible without God.

OK, can we agree to a rule that when you make statements about Yahweh, the Judeo-Christian god, that you need to cite your source or specify chapter and verse from the Bible? I have quoted you chapter and verse to let you know what your own holy scripture says. I would appreciate it if you could at least do the same. This ought to be a reasonable request of a Christian. Thanks.

And speaking of sources, let's stick with the dictionary's definition of what "objective" is and not just make up whatever definition will suit the needs of your argument, OK?

From Dictionary.com, looking up "objective"

5.not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion.
6.intent upon or dealing with things external to the mind rather than with thoughts or feelings, as a person or a book.
7.being the object of perception or thought; belonging to the object of thought rather than to the thinking subject ( opposed to subjective).
8.of or pertaining to something that can be known, or to something that is an object or a part of an object; existing independent of thought or an observer as part of reality.

So the word "objective" means independence of one's feelings, personal tastes, preferences, bias, etc. It doesn't hinge on permanency, as you seem to assert.

So by definition, if any being, however powerful, old or wise, makes up a set of rules, whether they be temporary or permanent, than these rules create a subject set of morals. The only distinction you draw is instead of being subjective based on our evaluations, they are subjective based on another being's dictates.

If morality is truly objective, it exists outside of and independent to any being's whims, bias or judgment. That which is objectively wrong would continue to be objectively wrong, regardless of what God says, if God went away or turned out never to have existed at all.

Finally, your assertion that Yahweh is unchanging is false, as the Bible makes many changes to this being over the ages in which it was written. For example, I quoted you chapter and verse on how Yahweh had a physical form. He became a "spirit" with the Gospel of John (John 4:24).

The very beliefs of Christianity state that Yahweh created a new covenant and they've added a New Testament. What was wrong with the old ones? What happened to "eternal unchanging rules"?

Leviticus 11:10-12 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

Christians have no trouble eating shrimp today.

We know the holocaust is absolutely wrong because we all have a God given conscience which tells us right from wrong.

You are free to believe that God gave us our conscience. Mine finds the Bible, with all its rape, genocide, slavery and bigotry to be morally repugnant, but that's another issue. However, if you say morality hinges on conscience, then it is subjective by definition.

Again from dictionary.com

1.existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought ( opposed to objective).
2.pertaining to or characteristic of an individual; personal; individual: a subjective evaluation.
4.Philosophy . relating to or of the nature of an object as it is known in the mind as distinct from a thing in itself.
5. relating to properties or specific conditions of the mind as distinguished from general or universal experience.

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And since morality is absolute(i.e universal and unchanging)
you'd better get your ass down to Maccas Sunday morning and stone all those sinners who are going against gods commandment about working on the sabbath.

No, no, no. The Sabbath is on a Saturday.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

The eternal and unchanging god of the Bible moved the Sabbath to Sunday to accommodate the pagans who joined Christianity.

That Yahweh sure is a great salesman but then, what else would you expect from a deity that rose from the humble beginnings of volcano god of some obscure tribe to the empire he has today? A real all-American "rags to riches" story.