(September 20, 2011 at 9:38 pm)lucent Wrote: You're speaking of moral objectivism. I'm speaking of moral absolutism. Objective morality is subject to change, absolute morality is not. For your edification:
Fair enough but it seems to me that objective morals would be absolute.
Quote:Subjective, or even objective morality, due to shifting values of right and wrong, can allow for something like the holocaust as being morally right. Even though it is evident that there is no situation in which the holocaust could be morally right. Meaning, the holocaust is absolutely wrong. Given that only a system of absolute morality could support that conclusion, and morality could not be absolute without God, this proves that God exists.
I've read many moral philosophies, from deontological to utilitarian, which could be used to make a convincing case that the holocaust was absolutely wrong. None of them rely on GodWillsIt.
Also, what evidence do you base your assertion on that absolute morality exists? Or if God exists, how do you know this god is moral?
Quote:Specifically, a moral creator who imposes His moral standard upon us.
Just to be clear on your moral philosophy, do you think Yahweh sets the rules for us, as a celestial lawgiver, based on his own whims? Or do you think Yahweh is a celestial arbiter, who is able to weigh out the issue and determine right and wrong?
In other words, is it good because Yahweh wills it? Or does Yahweh will it because it is good?
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"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist