RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
September 24, 2018 at 12:26 pm
(This post was last modified: September 24, 2018 at 1:01 pm by Amarok.)
Quote:God's rationale for his actions are founded in that concept (along with omniscience) and therefore cannot be judged by those that are no so equipped.That's bullocks dodging we don't need to be all knowing to judge your invisible friends actions this is a cop out so you don't actually have to give explanation of your gods actions and can just kick the can onto unknowable magic intentions found in the circular assumption your god is good .
(September 24, 2018 at 12:23 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: A god who kills innocent babies for no reason is greater than one who does not. I defy any Christian to prove me objectively wrong.
Oh but Jorm you can't judge that because you don't know everything
Quote:If God exists, it is incoherent to say that God may or may not be just--because you cannot ground such a determination in anything objective.Nope setting aside your totally arbitrary definition of god .Even if god exist he can be the grounds for nothing objective
Quote:2. Is it not the case that God is hidden from everyone. There are countless testimonies of people's experience of God. There are no defeaters for these billions of experiences so the claim really is: God is hidden from me when atheist demand or surmise that God would show himself if he were real.Bullocks a bunch of hearsay and" experiences" count for zip on a stick so no the claim is "god is hidden from everyone because nobody can provide objective evidence that it's god so nope it's not me it's we and no i don't need to offer any defeaters to nonsense.
Quote:Libertarian Free Will just means your choices are not causally determined by something outside yourself. Having a nature/characteristic that governs your actions/thoughts does not in any way impinge on free will. Every conceivable conscious being has such influences/limits.That's not what it means and even if it did what your describing is nonesense
Quote:Seem to undercut that part of the process.If god existed he wouldn't need that process now would he?
Quote:You are talking about the concept of what should we expect God to be like or to do. To answer that, we can't start with, "well, if I were God, I would...". We have to infer our list from revealed information, the concept of God, and the natural world.Nope because no such list exists nor would be needed if god existed
Quote:4. God provides substantial evidence of himself in nature that is easily reflected on and has been for millennium. Why is there something rather than nothing?The fact there is something is not evidence of god and no the existence of the natural world is not evidence of god sorry that's an assertion not a fact .
Quote:5. God gives everyone a sense of himself.Assertion
Quote:6. Every bit of evidence suggests that God's purposes are personal in nature. God desires a personal relationship with each person--NOT recognition that he exists.If only you had any evidence and again assertions
(September 24, 2018 at 12:26 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:Quote:God's rationale for his actions are founded in that concept (along with omniscience) and therefore cannot be judged by those that are no so equipped.That's bullocks dodging we don't need to be all knowing to judge your invisible friends actions this is a cop out so you don't actually have to give explanation of your gods actions and can just kick the can onto unknowable magic intentions found in the circular assumption your god is good .
(September 24, 2018 at 12:23 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: A god who kills innocent babies for no reason is greater than one who does not. I defy any Christian to prove me objectively wrong.
Oh but Jorm you can't judge that because you don't know everything
Quote:If God exists, it is incoherent to say that God may or may not be just--because you cannot ground such a determination in anything objective.Nope setting aside your totally arbitrary definition of god .Even if god exist he can be the grounds for nothing objective
Quote:2. Is it not the case that God is hidden from everyone. There are countless testimonies of people's experience of God. There are no defeaters for these billions of experiences so the claim really is: God is hidden from me when atheist demand or surmise that God would show himself if he were real.Bullocks a bunch of hearsay and" experiences" count for zip on a stick so no the claim is "god is hidden from everyone because nobody can provide objective evidence that it's god so nope it's not me it's we and no i don't need to offer any defeaters to nonsense.
Quote:Libertarian Free Will just means your choices are not causally determined by something outside yourself. Having a nature/characteristic that governs your actions/thoughts does not in any way impinge on free will. Every conceivable conscious being has such influences/limits.That's not what it means and even if it did what your describing is nonesense
Quote:Seem to undercut that part of the process.If god existed he wouldn't need that process now would he?
Quote:You are talking about the concept of what should we expect God to be like or to do. To answer that, we can't start with, "well, if I were God, I would...". We have to infer our list from revealed information, the concept of God, and the natural world.Nope because no such list exists nor would be needed if god existed
Quote:4. God provides substantial evidence of himself in nature that is easily reflected on and has been for millennium. Why is there something rather than nothing?The fact there is something is not evidence of god and no the existence of the natural world is not evidence of god sorry that's an assertion not a fact .
Quote:5. God gives everyone a sense of himself.Assertion
Quote:6. Every bit of evidence suggests that God's purposes are personal in nature. God desires a personal relationship with each person--NOT recognition that he exists.If only you had any evidence and again assertions
Quote:Are you really arguing that Gods existence would be dependent on the physical world like ours is? Really?No but i will deny you the right to simply make up magical shit in the name apologetics
Quote:You would have to show that God could have logically created a universe where everyone would freely choose him. It is clear that is almost certainly not actually possible. So, he settled for a universe where the greatest number of people would freely accept him.Nope it's you who has to show the contrary.
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