Objective Morality?

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People have a choice as to how to react to what their conscience is telling them. How they act is not a measure for the existence of an absolute standard. It is your god given conscience which tells you what that standard is. That people can compromise, or sear their own consciences is a given.

The change in the OT law was due to the change of priesthood from levitical, which was for Israel, to Melchizedek, an eternal priesthood. When the priesthood changed the cermonial and sacrificial laws were made obsolete because Jesus fulfilled all of those things. This doesn't mean none of the laws from the OT are valid, just the ones that apply specifically to the observance of jewish law as it applies to the levitical priesthood. As far as a law against homosexuality, that is in the NT as well.

Now, I wonder if you'll actually address the logic of my argument instead of trying to tear down Christianity:

Subjective, or even objective morality, due to shifting values of right and wrong, can allow for something like the holocaust as being morally right. Even though it is evident that there is no situation in which the holocaust could be morally right. Meaning, the holocaust is absolutely wrong. Given that only a system of absolute morality could support that conclusion, and morality could not be absolute without God, this proves that God exists. Specifically, a moral creator who imposes His moral standard upon us.

But where is this "absolute morality"?

Since lots of people even now think the holocaust was a good thing along with lots of things you and I would find morally repugnant it cannot be an absolute.

Otherwise everyone would think it wrong, wouldn't they?

You cannot prove the existence of this absolute morality.

And since the old testement obviously no longer applies to christians( which is odd since ol JC seemed to be pretty hot on the old laws still applying) you'd better stop using Leviticus to justify your homophobia.

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I agree, religion has caused a lot of harm to the world. Jesus didn't like religion either, which is why he called the pharisees vipers and whitewashed tombs. I would also note that secular societies have also caused untold harm, most notably with brutal wars, genocide and famine. I think the point is that human beings have fallen short in every walk of life, secular or religious. We pollute everything we touch. Specifically, as to the United States, it has always been a hybrid of Christian ideals. Check out this series:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5jzS1mEF_Y

For most of the modern world morals shift over time.

This is a good thing.

By trying to adhere to the morals of a terrible past, religion causes all sorts of horror to be inflicted on the world.

look at Iran, Egypt, Indonesia or any fundamenalist country and you can see what I mean.

Secular societies are the ones with the best 'morals' precisely because they dont follow the teachings of raving mad preachers from 2000 or 1400 years ago.

Some muslims still think its ok to kill girls for the crime of being raped or for just being alone with a boy. Some even think its ok to keep sex slaves as it was mentioned in the koran and is not 'Haram'.

The catholic church has for millenia protected paedophiles and sex offending clergy as a matter of course.

Look just look a little and you can find all sorts of morally dubious things being done because of religion and its tendency to look to the past and not the future.