RE: Positive Masculinity, what does it look like?
September 30, 2018 at 1:55 pm
(This post was last modified: September 30, 2018 at 2:01 pm by CapnAwesome.)
(September 30, 2018 at 12:59 pm)LastPoet Wrote:(September 30, 2018 at 12:27 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Ha, in this environment good luck. Of course you are 100% right. Men have 10,000% more testoserone that women. They are more likely to be violent but more likely to be heroic too.
Of course women can do all the things men can and vice versa. But to use that as some sort of argument against positive traits that come up more frequently in men (as your critics have done in this thread) is absurd and shallow minded, and goes against all the evidence we have on the subject.
You have been in Spain. Never saw those simple pamplonas when young guys like I was before, fought bulls? It is nice preparation for marriage.
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*runs off*
Machismo in Latin America drives me crazy. I never was a feminist until I spent significant time in Mexico. It's the same in all those countries really.
It doesn't mean there aren't positive masculine traits. Most firefighters are men, ER doctors skew male more than any type of doctor but heart surgeon. I'd say that's the positive side of testosterone at work.
(September 30, 2018 at 12:48 pm)Whateverist Wrote:(September 29, 2018 at 1:08 pm)Aroura Wrote: Are you arguing there are no positive masculine traits?
Whether or not any masculine traits exist which are not learned and arbitrary is an interesting question. But if you have to ask what they are then the answer is probably no. So positive ones? Meh. Personally I'd prefer to think if there are any and I'm a man, then what can I do about it? Not much. But if they amount to some unthinking societal code which I'm expected to figure out and master .. no thank you. I'll pass.
(September 30, 2018 at 11:03 am)wyzas Wrote: Could you please stop peeing your name on the side of the house?
Heh heh. How'd you figure out it was me?
(September 29, 2018 at 2:26 pm)Aroura Wrote: No! No more than aggressiveness belongs solely to men. Women can be violent, too.
OMG, you guys. There is a thread discussing things that men can do that are toxic. This is a thread to discuss things that men can do that are positive.
Probably will just frustrate you more but I still feel like positive things men can do is just positive things people can do - being done by a man. I just don't spend any time thinking about what to do or not do on the basis of being male.
To argue that there are no inherently male traits and that it's all just society and culture would be to argue that having 10000% more testoserone has no effect on someone. I doubt you'll find a scientist willing to go along with that assertion.
Take a woman and inject her to make level testosterone and you see changes in her mood, behavior, threshhold for risk, all kinds of things. It's a hell of a drug.