Does anyone own "The Moral Landscape"?

[robvalue]

Oh for sure, I’m all for trying to impact positive change. My point was that it has to be through discussion and the sharing of ideas, not just "statements of fact" that the primitive are supposed to just bow down to.

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The difference between "moral facts" and more straightforward facts like finding the mass of something is that there will be much less agreement about what framework to use to interpret the data. It is of great utility for us all to measure length in the same way, and to use the same units (or just a few different types).

With morality, we'll each have our own framework, and so the "facts" then become specific only to us. There will be a lot of overlap, of course. I’d fully expect most people on the forum to agree with me on most moral issues. Some will go further than me in some regards, and I will go further than them in others. So we're using the terminology much more loosely when we each say what is "wrong", as compared to lengths we have measured. What is considered wrong also fluctuates as society changes too, while the utility of measuring length means it stays mostly the same. But of course, we do all have a rough idea what we mean by "wrong" because we're all familiar enough with each other and the kind of standards we have. If however I’m talking to a particularly nutty theist or someone from an entirely different culture, I will have to question it much more.