Beating women in Islam

[WinterHold]

The degree men have over women is in marriage -as the context of the verse suggests-; and we already know that this "degree" that men have over women in marriage is because they -the men- spend from their money & protect their wives

So unlike what feminism suggests, men are not slaves to women and men deserve this degree. It's essential for the balance of the family. Please see the divorce rates in the non-Muslim western world where this verse is unknown..

Breaking news: The medieval times are over. where the fuck are you living? Did you ever consider to move to the civilized part of the world.
Men and woman make earnings and are feeding their families, by having a job. I have several co-workers who earn less than their wifes, whose wife are the main source of income.
By the way read my very first sentence and please not my powers as a prophet.  

That is not breaking at all; we do live in a different era. I live in Saudi Arabia and I hate the guts of this place. I can't move because immigration is very hard and costly, I have no extra cash. So I remain here.
Women work even here, but where are you living to not know that the main person responsible for spending is usually the man?
That's like rule number 1 in dating: a gentleman spends on his lady.

Why don't you quote the whole verse?

Would that change the meaning of what is said here, or would it only be a kind of backpedaling like with beating wifes, which is totally cool.....but of course noone would seriously consider it.  

Of course it would. And it did.

So the verse is about "debts".
How many women in ancient Arabia used to know math or even memorize complex calculations and rights? I mean they didn't used to work on caravans like men.

So two women, with very limited knowledge is better than one. .

So it was ok to discriminate against women, because they were uneducated because of discrimination in the first place?   BRAVO
Why didnt Allah tell people "do fucking eduate your fucking women"?
Almost like YHWH telling people not to eat shellfish, but forgot to tell tell them not to have slaves.
Weak ass, stupid gods i say.
Or, almost as if YHWH and ALLah were both made up by the same fucking stupid ancient, ignorant, MEN.

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No, I wrote that women's educational level was poor back then, so two women were required to testify so if one forgot, the other would remind her.

AtlasS33 Wrote:

4:11 Allah chargeth you concerning (the provision for) your children: to the male the equivalent of the portion of two females

Yes, because in most societies -even today- men are the ones responsible for feeding their family, so they deserve a little bit of extra cash to start with..Not in my society. Probably because its more civilized than yours (at least in this one aspect of life).
Remider: We have left the middle ages......hundreds of years ago. You need to catch up.  

Yes it's probably more civilized. In the society I live in; the government hack you with a chainsaw if you criticize it (see the Kashuggi murder case).

They also torture you with quite  medieval ways.

AtlasS33 Wrote: Remember that the real miracle is that women were a part of the heritage; that is so rare -or even non existent- in the ancient world.Oh you could inherit a woman? How..............medieval.  

Thank you for confirming all my points so clearly and explicitly, visible for all, yet you didnt notice at all. If i would have told someone that a real muslim would anser like oyu did, they probably would have written it of as "anti muslim propaganda", but no, you went "full retard".

Look at him kids: Thats what religion can make out of you. His mind is so poisoned, his moral compass is sverving like a carousel. He has no clue anymore whats right and wrong, which is a good state, if you are the one who needs a puppet like him. All you need is to stick your hand up his ass and make him talk (misogynist) nonsense, all day long.

Yes, i am brutal in my assessment, just as brutal as his claims about the perceived roles of women and men (even in todays societies!) are and should be. I treat everyone and every idea with respect, if the deserve respect. His position, dont, not a single one of them, not.a.single.one.

You are welcome, but I don't think I confirmed anything.

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I won't answer an "what if scenario", and this goes to all serious cases I'm interested in. Frankly I only find it useful to do so (think about the if scenarios) if it served my understanding of a certain fact, otherwise it's just energy burned at circling the same spot over and over.

If I married and my wife beat me someday, I would chose forgiving her over hurting her back; but that's a personal preference that the verse gave me; I would choose to invest in forgiveness for the sake of the love between me and her, but it doesn't mean that I don't know what some other women do or the amount of sad damage they cause to their husbands.

I will know very well if my mate is just being "emotional"; or if she is waging a crusade on me.

God created us both, and woe to me if I ever hurt somebody that doesn't deserve it.

Okay. You seem to have burned a lot of energy writing all that, when you could have just said yes or no. To me, the fact that both answers produce big problems in your description of learning morality is why it’s an important question.

But I’ll leave you alone now. I think you know the answer already.

The question needed this answer, because I can see the image you're painting in your head for me. I'm not a woman abuser who treats women like slaves, and this verse doesn't tell me to do that.