(October 14, 2018 at 11:03 am)Brian37 Wrote:(October 14, 2018 at 10:54 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Atlas, the beat them, doesn't mean with hands or miswak or a stick, but is saying to have intercourse, so in case you don't get it. Instead of "miswak", it's suppose to be beat them (with your dick), it's an expression of intercourse, just as "if you touch them" is understood (with your dick) in many verses and not only if you touch them with your hands which would not require major ablution.
So the verse in short is saying Men are to uplift women to the extent even if they fear betrayal/rebellion, they aren't ever to mention to them and leave them regarding this completely and to continue to have intercourse with them. So if they don't disobey them in regards to the two commands men have a right to command, then don't seek a way against them. The next verse shows what to do in the case they do disobey or that there is any breach of agreement which is to go to the Prophet and he will put a judge from each family, and they will try to settle the case.
No no no no..... This is the same bait and switch right wing Christians use.
"Uplift" means to treat like expensive property, not equal human beings. You may not personally view it now that way, but in antiquity that was the social norm. Females BACK THEN were PROPERTY, not human beings.
Women in America have had a longer history bucking this bullshit, although you wouldn't know it with our current news headlines.
Skip the holy book. Skip any holy book for that matter.
Females are EQUAL TO MEN. You don't beat them for the same reason two men need to learn to settle their differences without violence. BECAUSE THEY ARE HUMANS.
Women ARE capable of leading, in politics and even being the breadwinner of the family. Women do not need men telling them what to do or how to behave based on the patriarchal mythology of antiquity.
The reason women in Saudi Arabia are getting assaulted for driving now is the same fucking religious bullshit white Christian men used for excuses for beating up Susan B Anthony for fighting for women's right to vote here.
I beat men who beat me without any shame.
Why would a woman cheat the same treatment? My bad is to inflict more damage on her than what she did to me, but if she is really equal, then she should also be punished like a man.