RE: An unhinged mob
October 17, 2018 at 10:22 am
(This post was last modified: October 17, 2018 at 10:51 am by Angrboda.)
(October 17, 2018 at 10:09 am)alpha male Wrote:(October 17, 2018 at 9:57 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Yes, I was wondering if that was what RR was basing his claim that Ellison supports Antifa upon because Ellison isn't saying that he supports Antifa in that tweet, only that it should be a scary development for someone like Trump, and sarcastically implying that Trump is a fascist himself, which he may not be wrong about. If that is what RR is basing his belief upon, it's yet another example of the right taking something, twisting it to say something it doesn't say, and then pushing that false narrative to the faithful like RR who eat it up without thinking twice. It was probably a stupid thing for Ellison to do, but it doesn't show he supports Antifa, much less that supporting movements like Antifa is representative of the left as a whole.
Yeah, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that if a Republican politician tweeted a picture of himself holding a book about the KKK, you'd say he was supporting the KKK.
Be honest with yourself.
And you'd be wrong. I've read plenty of stories about Republicans associating with racists at rallies and fund raising events and didn't jump to the conclusion that it meant they support racism. Or are you trying to tell me that I should believe that those Republicans support racism? Unlike you and roadie, I actually, like, read what Ellison tweeted and didn't engage in a kneejerk reaction to it. YMMV. Maybe you're just projecting here, that this is something that you would do, so you assume that other people are like you? Regardless, jumping to unsupported conclusions would be wrong no matter which party did it. You're only defending doing so here because it is Republicans who have been shown to be jumping to conclusions, so you want to discredit that narrative any way you can. (And I'll note that this is yet another tu quoque from you. That seems to be your favorite fallacy. Given your repeated whining about whataboutism, I find that fascinating.)
ETA: Given that Trumptards gullibly believe that Trump may have misspoken at the Helsinki summit and said "would" instead of "wouldn't", it's rather hypocritical of right wingers to ignore Ellison's overt disavowals of violence and concentrate instead on reading the tea leaves regarding Ellison's tweet and drawing a message they find attractive out of it.
ETA2: Regarding your projecting, you tend to do that a lot. When hypocrisy and lies in conservatives are pointed out, you jump to their defense with the tu quoque that everybody does it, both conservatives and liberals. I don't know if that's true or not, but it's interesting what it says about you. Do you have anything to back up your belief that "everybody does it" in roughly equal amounts so drawing attention to examples of one side doing it is not particularly meaningful? Care to show me another president who is documented to have made as many false and misleading statements as Trump? I find it interesting that during the Clinton administration, all the Republicans were up in everybody's face with the message that character matters. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, those concerns have rapidly disappeared, much like concerns about fiscal responsibility and balancing the budget. I'm really curious, as I don't read a lot of right wing media, what do conservatives point to that is similar among liberals and Democratic politicians?