An unhinged mob

[Amarok]

My point is by example 

Let's say the proud boys are going to hold a hate rally and preach violence against minorities and make a ruckus .I'm saying we have the right to disrupt it and beat the snot out of them because there a bunch of bigot thugs . Technically were starting the physical violence even though their preaching threatening and condoning violence and lastly i'm saying you can no more reason with their kind then you can a fanatical cult thus violence is justified

So you have a rally with a bunched of fanatical people, some of whom are armed, and your idea for improving this situation is to attack them?

What is your goal there? To discourage the proud boys? Oh wait, they enjoy violence.

To win over third parties? Again. How does that achieve that? It doesn't and in fact makes people who would never be sympathtic to the proud boys ideas, sympathetic to them.

In addition the proud boys would never get a squeak of media coverage if antifa didn't show up and have all the violence occurred. Now they are in the media cycle, Google searches are way up.

To contain the rukus they are causing? If you think attacking them does that, you haven't thought it out at all.


So what are your goals that attacking them is going to accomplish? I'd really like to know.

1. So we have a bunch of armed fanatics who if they aren't stopped will attack people who are not fighting back .

2. Antifa has won against the proud boys and run them out of neighborhoods they have terrorized and yes they love violence but they would much rather take it out on defenseless people then fight us . 

3.No they would get attention as their founder has become a darling of the extreme right complete with his own show and is attempting to go mainstream 

4.Winning over third parties is not my goal as anyone dumb enough to think the proud boys are sympathetic is someone i want nothing to do with . 

5. We have contained it in street protest after street protest . Yeah they are fighting back but so are we .

You clearly don't understand the dynamics here