(October 22, 2018 at 6:13 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:(October 22, 2018 at 6:00 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: So you have a rally with a bunched of fanatical people, some of whom are armed, and your idea for improving this situation is to attack them?1. So we have a bunch of armed fanatics who if they aren't stopped will attack people who are not fighting back .
What is your goal there? To discourage the proud boys? Oh wait, they enjoy violence.
To win over third parties? Again. How does that achieve that? It doesn't and in fact makes people who would never be sympathtic to the proud boys ideas, sympathetic to them.
In addition the proud boys would never get a squeak of media coverage if antifa didn't show up and have all the violence occurred. Now they are in the media cycle, Google searches are way up.
To contain the rukus they are causing? If you think attacking them does that, you haven't thought it out at all.
So what are your goals that attacking them is going to accomplish? I'd really like to know.
2. Antifa has won against the proud boys and run them out of neighborhoods they have terrorized and yes they love violence but they would much rather take it out on defenseless people then fight us .
3.No they would get attention as their founder has become a darling of the extreme right complete with his own show and is attempting to go mainstream
4.Winning over third parties is not my goal as anyone dumb enough to think the proud boys are sympathetic is someone i want nothing to do with .
5. We have contained it in street protest after street protest . Yeah they are fighting back but so are we .
You clearly don't understand the dynamics here
None of that even addressed what I was saying. Nor is it true.
Antifa hasn't run the proud boys out of neighborhoods, they've turned those neighborhoods into chaos and violence that otherwise wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been there.
I'm not talking about winning a fight, I'm talking about overall goals.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore...oys&geo=US
You see those spikes there? They literally align with fights with antifa. The more stupid pointless street brawls, the more attention they get. It's a direct correlation.
There has never been a proud boys demonstration that wasn't made far worse and more violent by antifa showing up.
So congrats on winning a fight, if that's even true, but if you have goals such as opposing the views of the proud boys and making them less than what they are: total failure in everyway.