RE: Subjective Morality?
October 24, 2018 at 6:08 am
(This post was last modified: October 24, 2018 at 6:18 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 23, 2018 at 9:36 pm)bennyboy Wrote:(October 23, 2018 at 8:08 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Read the bolded again, with your own comments set right alongside. Yes, moral realists contend that there are (or at least could be) moral facts. Subjectivism denies this.
Right. I deny that there are moral facts. I will say only that there are physical facts upon which a subjective morality draws in establishing the complex of feelings and ideas which, taken as a whole, represent a moral system.
-and again, the moment you refer to facts you are drifting away from subjectivity.
You do this because your academic position or position for this discussion is that morality is subjective, but the way you employ your own morality and make moral statements or statements -about- morality is de facto realism. This isn't a dig, this is the way that we -all- approach our moral conjectures, lol.
If there are physical facts to which your morality refers in explanation, then not only is that a claim to realism, but a naturalists realism. OFC you also have feelings about it, ofc it's complex, ofc you may be wrong about this or that and no..not everyone will agree with you. Facts, however, are mind-independant, and so..... not subjectivism . Physical facts about baseball are baseball facts. Physical facts about boats are boat facts. Physical facts about morality are.....what?
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