Subjective Morality?

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Let me add that science isn’t about right versus wrong. It’s not binary like that; it’s logical system that behave that way. In science we are looking to model apparent truths about reality as closely as possible. Our model works, if it works. It’s circular pragmatism in that regard. We can talk about how well it works, of course, and if it could be improved.

It may be that the thing we're modelling works nothing like we think, but our models still work "as if" it works that way, and that’s all we can ever do. (That’s my pragmatic "as if" rule I’ll be mentioning in our thread more later )

I behave in the way in which I think best serves my goals; in the case of morality, I try to behave in the ways I consider to achieve "good" outcomes. Am I correct? Well, experience shows me that I appear to be correct, as far as I can fathom. I could always be completely missing the mark, and somehow my actions are causing really bad outcomes in ways I can’t possible know about. There’s nothing I can do about that. If I’m somehow "bad" through some strange inherent measuring device, I don’t care, unless someone explains what that actually means.

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PS: again, I don’t understand the question of whether realism "is true". Of course it is, with respect to whatever definitions you want to use. Internally consistent systems can be set up. Can you make statements which somehow transcend any morality or ethics anyone could ever have? No, you can’t. So again, I don’t see the point of the question. It’s logically settled as far as I can see.