RE: Subjective Morality?
October 31, 2018 at 3:34 pm
(This post was last modified: October 31, 2018 at 3:42 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 30, 2018 at 3:43 pm)Khemikal Wrote:(October 30, 2018 at 7:33 am)Khemikal Wrote: The subjectivists facts are variable. They are facts about peoples perceptions or states of belief. Facts about their opinions and minds. They may even be intersubjective facts.-and
-This culture has a strong taboo against waving with their left hand. They think it causes lethal bad juju. They think this because.... [insert -long winded observations of cultural development and it's historical context and/or explanation of the relevant areas of the mind that might cause this common belief as an artifact of biology- here]
Quote:The cornell realists facts are those mind independent facts of some matter or act x that substantiate themselves in the natural world. They are facts about what we contend to be able to know empirically and are capable of providing both physical evidence and a convincing demonstration of.
-We can establish by scientific process that some act x causes pain or harm by a variety of mind independent metrics. If causing pain or harm is wrong, this act objectively does that, and so is wrong.
(October 31, 2018 at 1:19 pm)bennyboy Wrote: You've said the word "fact" perhaps 1000 times in this thread. Would you please give an example of one fact, specifically one which demonstrates that morality is not subjective?
See above, same answer as before, to the same question, which was just me quoting myself having previously answered the same question.
A subjectivists moral facts are facts about people and their judgements. Do we have facts like those? Yes, we do. The realists moral facts are facts about externalities. Do we have facts like those? Yes, we do. Both think that there are facts, both refer to facts, each thinks that the other has the wrong set of facts. No amount of listing off moral facts will demonstrate one or the other to you, because those facts can come equally from any cognitive position.
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