Subjective Morality?

[The Grand Nudger]

But here, you insist that they are descriptions of feelings, rather than states of belief.  This is a non-cognitivist objection.  If it is true, then realists and subjectivists are both wrong for the same reason - and you were mistaken before in your answers to my questions.  You don't actually think that you believe that x is wrong describes a state of belief.  You don't actually believe that begging the question is wrong is something that you take to be true, it just makes you feel icky.

Actually, the definition I've given of morality from the start is that it is a mediation of feelings, ideas, and the environment, but that it is predicated on feelings.  

.....if there -is- an environment, whatever portion of our true beliefs are constituted by facts about that -are- the moral realist's moral facts.  

It's possible to have ideas, without feelings, and those would not (could not) be called moral ideas.

Why is it not possible to to refer to moral ideas bereft of feelings?  If I tell you that skullfucking your neighbor is wrong because it will hurt your neighbor - which part of this claim is an expression of my feelings on the matter, or..if you prefer, which portion of this statement depends upon my feelings on the matter? Suppose I do have feelings regarding the matter, if my feelings changed, would the fact that skullfucking your neighbor will hurt your neighbor change. I suspect that we're simply describing how comfortable we are with doing some fucked up thing based upon our opinions of the matter. That is an entirely separate issue to -any- of the claims made by these positions - and applies to all of them equally. That's a comment about the agent, not the system.

All of these positions are on moral systems, not moral agents. The cornell realist, for example..asserts that morality is objective and physical, as well as the fact that the human moral agent is deeply flawed and necesarrily subjective.

I don't know if you'd describe belief as a feeling, or as an idea.  Do I sense (read: feel) that something is true, for whatever reason, and say I believe it?  Or is it a cognitive assessment that an idea represents some objective reality?

That's the first question, yup. Do you think that you are in a state of belief. You indicated earlier that even asking the question was absurd..ofc you are. If that was an earnest response (and it certainly seemed like it, lol) then welcome to the cognitivists club. There are error theorists, subjectivists, non naturalists, and realists in here.