(November 7, 2018 at 1:29 pm)CDF47 Wrote:(November 7, 2018 at 4:33 am)pocaracas Wrote: Is information a human label for a particular sort of patterns that our pattern-seeking brains have come to attribute?
If so, then the information came from humanity.
The DNA patterns themselves are what they are: chemicals arranged in suitable sequences for life forms to exist. Patterns which, judging by all the available evidence, have evolved from simple and humble beginnings, into the amazing machinery we see nowadays.
Had that evolution not happened, we wouldn't be here today to ponder about it... much like we weren't around for most of Life's history on this planet.
Certainly, DNA, as we now know it, couldn't have been the first mechanism for life's pattern of self-replication.
You've been told this repeatedly, and never once seemed to acknowledge its significance.
Why?
Why are you willfully ignoring a major part of the argument?
Information is a complex subject in itself. Wikipedia has it defined below:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information
The entire reality of the universe is based on information. See the property of physics in the Wikipedia link.
I am not ignoring the argument. Both the complexity and function that we see in living systems could not have just evolved slowly over time. Have you watched the videos in my signature? The information in DNA acts like machine code.
What happens when you apply a very ill-defined concept to a very specific problem?
Yeah.... nothing good.
The wiki is a good start, yes... but we need to go to something more serious. Try here:
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/information/
"The term ‘information’ in colloquial speech is currently predominantly used as an abstract mass-noun used to denote any amount of data, code or text that is stored, sent, received or manipulated in any medium."
"In present colloquial speech the term information is used in various loosely defined and often even conflicting ways."
"There is no consensus about the exact nature of the field of philosophy of information. Some authors like Floridi (2002, 2003, 2011) present ‘Philosophy of Information’ as a completely new development with a capacity to revolutionize philosophy per se. Others (Adriaans and van Benthem 2008a; Lenski 2010) see it more as a technical discipline with deep roots in the history of philosophy and consequences for various disciplines like methodology, epistemology and ethics."
Your wiki entry on the Universe being information is... meh... a hypothesis. Nice try, but it holds no water.
(November 7, 2018 at 1:29 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I am not ignoring the argument. Both the complexity and function that we see in living systems could not have just evolved slowly over time. Have you watched the videos in my signature? The information in DNA acts like machine code."could not"?
Of course they could.
Your lack of capacity to understand how the process happens (and happened) is not an argument against Biology.
And yes, I have probably watched the videos months ago...