Beating women in Islam

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Every time I see this thread's title I want to write "isn't that the national sport there?"  But I don't because that would be so islamaphobic and I'd rather not have to own that.  There, glad to get that off my chest.

Not a "national sport" for Muslim countries only; but it is a national sport for fucked up men allover the world:

https://ncadv.org/statistics

https://www.thehotline.org/resources/statistics/

The links above are from America only, but it's obvious that the whole world has this problem, but it doesn't get reported in other places as it is in the U.S . I believe if the Quran is practiced, domestic violence would decrease so much.

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LOL, @ "human made constitutions".

You honestly think that god has a stake in wife beating..that the very decision to include this bit of nonsense wasn't some cat named akbars idea.....on account of how he beat the shit out of his wife?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_v...ted_States

• According to a report by the United States Department of Justice in 2000, a survey of 16,000 Americans showed 22.1 percent of women and 7.4 percent of men reported being physically assaulted by a current or former spouse, cohabiting partner, boyfriend or girlfriend, or date in their lifetime.[1]
  

7% is a big big number, so let's not be feminists !

I would have second thoughts about respecting God if he forgot the "7%" in the matter of domestic abuse. But he didn't; I personally believe he gave both men and women the chance to fight back, and the chance to defend themselves.

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The expression that "the exception proves the rule," supposedly originally meant that the existence of an exception implies the existence of a more general rule.  In this case, a more general rule exists (maybe).  However, the existence of the more general rule does not itself testify as to whether the wife beating passage is intended to be conformant to the general rule, or is pointing out an exception which, justifiably violates the general rule.  You are arguing that it is simply another case of the more general rule.  That does not appear to be the case, as lex talionis does not appear to be involved in the wife beating surah, so it wouldn't be an example of such.  An example of that is that the surah says to respond to feared rebellion with deprival of sex.  That is not repaying kind in kind, so the verse has already departed from lex talionis.  So what is your argument that the wife beating surah is an example of lex talionis and not an exception to it based on?  It appears to read as if it were an exception.  If husbands were expected to treat their wives the same way that their wives treat them, then why are there three graded responses to the same offense?  It doesn't read as a confirmation of the lex talionis verse, but as an exception to it.

I think pin-pointing the trigger for the punishment is the key; and the trigger is "the rebellion".
"Rebellion" in itself is a very loose word; for example you can rebel on the norm by wearing emo style, or rebel on the norm by cutting yourself, or rebel on the norm by killing masses. Thus rebellion's meaning is missing if you don't specify its "kind".

Completing the example, let's say I see Agatha. Agatha has scars on her hands. So I assume that she rebelled on her norm and society by choosing the self-inflicted wounding.
That way, I specified what her rebellion is.

In the wife-beating verse; the word "rebellion/نشوز" is also loose without a specification.

There are 3 graded responses for 3 kinds of rebellions, the rebellion kinds are implicit (in my view) and I derived them from the punishments for each, putting "the eye for an eye" as my standard for deriving the types.

It's not the same offense. It's 3 degrees of the offense, and each punishment suit the degree.