RE: Beating women in Islam
November 9, 2018 at 3:58 pm
(This post was last modified: November 9, 2018 at 3:59 pm by WinterHold.)
(November 9, 2018 at 9:21 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I made three objections. You responded to only one. Moreover, that there are three different responses adds to the case that it's not lex talionis.
Apologies
Quote:That does not appear to be the case, as lex talionis does not appear to be involved in the wife beating surah, so it wouldn't be an example of such. An example of that is that the surah says to respond to feared rebellion with deprival of sex. That is not repaying kind in kind, so the verse has already departed from lex talionis. So what is your argument that the wife beating surah is an example of lex talionis and not an exception to it based on?
Deriving the rebellion types from the punishments:
1-Abusing the husband verbally (reply: admonishing the wife)
2-Abusing the husband using sexuality (reply: abandon the wife in bed)
3-Abusing the husband using beating (reply: beat the wife; the same amount and strength she beats the husband; i.e eye for an eye).
The grade of the 3 replies seem satisfying very much for lex talions. Special conditions in the Quran -in my personal opinion- are all revealed in distinct verses with a clear explicit order: for example take the lashing of adulteress and the cutting of the thieve hand:
Quote:https://quran.com/24/2-12?translations=20
Sahih International
Sura 24, The Quran:
(2) The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual intercourse - lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.
Quote:https://quran.com/5/38?translations=
Sahih International
Sura 5, The Quran:
(38) [As for] the thief, the male and the female, amputate their hands in recompense for what they committed as a deterrent [punishment] from Allah . And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.
On the other hand; the wife beating verse is nothing like that. It sounds more like giving husbands a right in marriage, insuring the keeping of male rights in the affair; while also protecting the female by specifying only 3 levels of disloyalty.
So if verse is wide in meaning; unlike the penalty verses like adultery and robbery, it requires an "eye for an eye" rule to make sense out of it.