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Beating women in Islam
RE: Beating women in Islam
(November 9, 2018 at 3:58 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(November 9, 2018 at 9:21 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I made three objections.  You responded to only one.  Moreover, that there are three different responses adds to the case that it's not lex talionis.

Okay

Quote:That does not appear to be the case, as lex talionis does not appear to be involved in the wife beating surah, so it wouldn't be an example of such.  An example of that is that the surah says to respond to feared rebellion with deprival of sex.  That is not repaying kind in kind, so the verse has already departed from lex talionis.  So what is your argument that the wife beating surah is an example of lex talionis and not an exception to it based on?

Deriving the rebellion types from the punishments:
1-Abusing the husband verbally (reply: admonishing the wife)
2-Abusing the husband using sexuality (reply: abandon the wife in bed)
3-Abusing the husband  using beating (reply: beat the wife; the same amount and strength she beats the husband; i.e eye for an eye).

The grade of the 3 replies seem satisfying very much for lex talions. Special conditions in the Quran -in my personal opinion- are all revealed in distinct verses with a clear explicit order: for example take the lashing of adulteress and the cutting of the thieve hand:

Very good, except for the fact that you're just pulling this from your ass and have no support in the Quran or the Hadith. Nice try. Do over.
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Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 11, 2018 at 4:03 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Minimalist - October 11, 2018 at 4:14 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Brian37 - October 11, 2018 at 4:20 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 11, 2018 at 4:42 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Minimalist - October 11, 2018 at 4:21 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Valkyrie - October 11, 2018 at 4:23 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Brian37 - October 11, 2018 at 4:28 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Valkyrie - October 11, 2018 at 4:29 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 11, 2018 at 5:00 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Brian37 - October 11, 2018 at 5:41 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 11, 2018 at 5:57 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Brian37 - October 11, 2018 at 7:09 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Valkyrie - October 11, 2018 at 6:36 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 12, 2018 at 4:16 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by brewer - October 12, 2018 at 8:03 am
RE: Beating women in Islam - by SaStrike - October 11, 2018 at 4:47 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by The Grand Nudger - October 11, 2018 at 5:19 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 11, 2018 at 5:42 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Brian37 - October 11, 2018 at 5:49 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Minimalist - October 11, 2018 at 5:39 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 11, 2018 at 5:49 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by Brian37 - October 11, 2018 at 6:02 pm
RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 11, 2018 at 7:06 pm
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RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 11, 2018 at 7:30 pm
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RE: Beating women in Islam - by WinterHold - October 12, 2018 at 5:52 am
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