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IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help?
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help?
(November 10, 2018 at 2:29 am)Dragonfly Wrote:
(November 9, 2018 at 2:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: People change their mind. Atheism is usually a position one is convinced they have no good reason to believe in God.

That stance may change, if you look for proofs on earth, and seek to increase your knowledge. You never know.

Have hope and act on it.  I don't think most religious believe a person who strives to know God and dies ignorant of Him will be punished.

And to be apathetic to the question is irrational since by definition he is the Highest Being and is Worth knowing and getting to know.

And in all this - I would not wait for a Theist like me to prove God.  I may have bad way of presenting proofs and don't articulate what I know well.

Look for those who if God would exist,  are the best possible way to know Him, and would be his representatives.

If you don't give God a chance to prove himself nor his representatives,  and wait for Theists, you might be waiting your whole life and be never satisfied.

And there is always a guide be it hidden or not per my creed, and if you ask God humbly, perhaps he will get him to come to you and show you miracles as in the type Moses and Jesus are reported to have done!

That would be an easy way out but there is too much harm if you are averse to the truth, it may lead you to opposition to the Guide and joining the dark forces, if he shows you miracles and you then move the goal posts and accuse him of being a sorcerer.

So humble your heart, and ask God to guide you to that path and name he has named himself with and the path that is his path, and the guide that is given his authority, and perhaps, through the Guide of age, he will show you miracles, and you won't even need to think of rational proofs, though I am sure after, you would be come acquainted with those and they would be proof among many proofs you have!

You never know - just try it!

I don't think you understand. I'm 50. I've spent my entire LIFE looking for proofs on earth and seeking to increase my knowledge. I tried to fit myself into various belief systems. I've tried to bolster my belief. I asked others to pray for me. I explored. I've prayed, begged, cried, tried, etc., even praying month after month this year: God, please show me who you are, and help me to believe in you. If you are holy, then help me to be like you. If I am resistant to truth, then please help soften my heart and help me to desire to be like you and draw closer to you.

And the prayers only became more and more desperate over the last several months. God, if you can hear me, please help me! I'm losing my belief in you. I really need you to show me you exist. 




Been there, done that, and no miracles or proofs despite lots of trying, praying, searching, begging, pleading. There is no one listening. He is simply not there.

I think radical acceptance works for religion just as well as for secular beliefs. Absurdists believe that the world makes no sense, yet they believe it's good to persevere nonetheless. And people have been lacking a good answer to nihilism since the powerful 19th and 20th century explorations of it by Nietzsche and others, yet people continue living in the absence of a definite answer. It would certainly be nice if God showed himself, and you may fervently want him to do so, but I think that there's something to be said for persevering in belief in the absence of proof and evidence. And I get that this is a struggle, perhaps more in that you feel your faith fading and want Him to show himself by rescuing your belief. I understand that. But just as with atheists, absurdists and nihilist, I think the power to prevail in your belief and trust in God lies within you. Perhaps you don't think so, and have given up hope of either doing so on your own, failing God intervening and helping you. I'm not trying to judge, and if I'm wrong, please forgive me, I'm just trying to help, but I'm not sure you'll find the challenges of belief in the absence of evidence any less challenging on the atheist side, and perhaps a different... something... approach? commitment? idea? may be needed. I sympathize as up until this summer I had struggled with chronic depression, the last few years of which have been marked by a distinct lack of interest in life and activities, and no matter how much my psychiatrist suggested that I develop interests or fake it till I make it, that lack remained. I suspect you may be in a similar situation, perhaps also somewhat due to depression, but I still think there is something to be said for acting in the absence of clear reasons or motivation to do so, regardless of whether that is toward God or away from Him.
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IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Dragonfly - October 13, 2018 at 3:29 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by AFTT47 - October 13, 2018 at 3:52 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Alan V - October 13, 2018 at 5:52 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Alan V - October 14, 2018 at 7:23 am
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by AFTT47 - October 14, 2018 at 6:34 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Alan V - October 13, 2018 at 7:53 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Dragonfly - November 12, 2018 at 11:29 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Chad32 - October 13, 2018 at 8:21 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Aroura - October 14, 2018 at 3:29 am
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by no one - October 14, 2018 at 3:34 am
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by brewer - October 14, 2018 at 3:37 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by SteveII - October 16, 2018 at 10:50 am
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Bahana - October 16, 2018 at 1:09 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by SteveII - October 19, 2018 at 12:32 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by brewer - October 19, 2018 at 1:35 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by brewer - October 18, 2018 at 7:24 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Silver - October 18, 2018 at 10:49 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by AFTT47 - October 20, 2018 at 2:45 am
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Alan V - October 29, 2018 at 6:37 am
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Alan V - October 29, 2018 at 10:54 am
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by KevinM1 - October 29, 2018 at 11:50 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by KevinM1 - October 31, 2018 at 10:26 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by KevinM1 - November 1, 2018 at 12:59 am
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Silver - November 2, 2018 at 3:41 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Angrboda - November 10, 2018 at 11:06 am
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Angrboda - November 10, 2018 at 12:35 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Astreja - November 10, 2018 at 3:37 am
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Grandizer - November 14, 2018 at 11:41 am
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by KevinM1 - November 15, 2018 at 8:51 am
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by pocaracas - November 16, 2018 at 10:12 am
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Silver - November 16, 2018 at 12:59 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Silver - November 16, 2018 at 1:49 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Jehanne - November 17, 2018 at 12:10 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Jehanne - November 16, 2018 at 10:16 am
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Chicken - November 12, 2018 at 6:20 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Chicken - November 12, 2018 at 7:44 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Chicken - November 12, 2018 at 8:07 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Grandizer - November 12, 2018 at 10:15 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Grandizer - November 12, 2018 at 11:53 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Grandizer - November 13, 2018 at 10:32 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Silver - November 13, 2018 at 1:51 am
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Dragonfly - November 13, 2018 at 12:13 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Angrboda - November 14, 2018 at 11:47 am
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Grandizer - November 14, 2018 at 11:54 am
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Astreja - November 14, 2018 at 12:00 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Astreja - November 14, 2018 at 2:32 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Astreja - November 14, 2018 at 4:06 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Shell B - November 16, 2018 at 2:53 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Shell B - November 16, 2018 at 3:16 pm
RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help? - by Angrboda - November 22, 2018 at 12:10 am

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