(November 11, 2018 at 4:23 am)Everena Wrote:(November 10, 2018 at 6:23 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Scientists do not suspect the complex information in DNA came from nothing. They believe it came from simpler elements by a process which adds information. Nothing that has been presented in this thread makes that impossible and the evidence indicates that it is very possible.
As noted, nobody is arguing that DNA came from nothing. The reason they believe that DNA evolved is because we have evidence of the process of evolution from simpler DNA and plausible explanations for how simpler elements which could evolve into DNA based life forms could have originated. That is neither a cop-out nor a straw man. I don't think you know what a cop-out or a straw man argument is.
Because you are completely avoiding mentioning the first cause of life and jumping right to what happened after that. We all know what happened after that and something like DNA would not just evolve out of nothing for no reason and with no intelligent driving force. It's like our sex drive and our will to live. Those things don't just happen without intelligence. How could "nothing" possibly care if our species survived or not?
No, I am not. I explicitly stated that we have plausible explanations for how DNA based life may have come to be. And you're still misrepresenting the fact that people think that life came from nothing. It is hypothesized that life came from simpler organizations of matter, not nothing, so you continue to dishonestly push a straw man.
Beyond that, you have the same problem that CDF47 has had, namely showing that life and DNA could not have arisen from simpler matter through natural processes. Until you do that, all the rest of your arguments are just an irrelevant shit show.