(November 11, 2018 at 6:37 pm)Everena Wrote:(November 11, 2018 at 6:35 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: "Neither the religious man nor the secularist can explain, that is justify, such suffering ... but only the religious man needs to do so. The secularist understands that suffering is not something to be justified but simply to be struggled against with courage and dignity."Be that as it may, my beliefs are the only ones that would make this a fair and just universe and I refuse to believe that I live in a cruel unfair universe.
--Kai Nielson
But you missed my overall point before. The only reason I brought up suffering was to counter your argument that the joy and beauty in life indicates a designer.
But it’s not a fair and just universe...