DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[Everena]

I don't agree with that at all. A universe that just magically appears out of nothing, without an intelligent driving force, with no purpose and for no reason, so we can all live unequally for short periods of time and then die and go nowhere does not make any sense to me and it never will.

Yet "goddidit" does?

Fascinating. Does it hurt when you breathe?

Yes that fact that higher intelligence created this universe with an important purpose definitely makes sense.

[Abaddon_ire]

"Neither the religious man nor the secularist can explain, that is justify, such suffering ... but only the religious man needs to do so. The secularist understands that suffering is not something to be justified but simply to be struggled against with courage and dignity."
--Kai Nielson

But you missed my overall point before. The only reason I brought up suffering was to counter your argument that the joy and beauty in life indicates a designer.

Be that as it may, my beliefs are the only ones that would make this a fair and just universe and I refuse to believe that I live in a cruel unfair universe.

The universe is neither, the universe is indifferent.

The universe does not care what you like or don't like. What you prefer or don't prefer.

The universe is neither cruel nor kind, neither just or injust.

No amount of pretzel logic allows you to whitewash the universe with your own prejudices.

[Losty]

"Neither the religious man nor the secularist can explain, that is justify, such suffering ... but only the religious man needs to do so. The secularist understands that suffering is not something to be justified but simply to be struggled against with courage and dignity."
--Kai Nielson

But you missed my overall point before. The only reason I brought up suffering was to counter your argument that the joy and beauty in life indicates a designer.

Be that as it may, my beliefs are the only ones that would make this a fair and just universe and I refuse to believe that I live in a cruel unfair universe.

But it’s not a fair and just universe...

[Bucky Ball]

We already know it is not ... and you don't get to make up shit to make yourself feel all nice. 
Get over it. There is no Santa Claus. 

So you admit your beliefs are based on an emotional need. 
Actually the universe could easily be "fair' from many perspectives, without the nonsense of belief. 

There is no way a 6 year old, dying of cancer can see anything fair, in any direction, about the universe AND your gods are of no help. 
You live in a "happy bubble". Time to get out more.

A six year old dying of cancer could be here to teach important lessons of compassion, kindness and empathy. And there is no real death when you believe in eternal life.

And your stupid god needs millions of them to teach the lessons ? ... how preposterous. What a lame rationalization.  
Your pretense that there is no death is utter poppycock. If someone doesn't believe in gravity, they still fall to their death. 
You have not one shred of evidence that belief (denial of death) precludes death. 
Differentiating between reality and fantasy is a stage in normal child development. 
Actually it's one of the landmarks of child development that you seem to have missed. 
http://northeastbookspublishing.net/ADHD...m-fantasy/

[vulcanlogician]

Be that as it may, my beliefs are the only ones that would make this a fair and just universe and I refuse to believe that I live in a cruel unfair universe.

Be careful justifying misery and suffering in the world. If there is no God to bring justice, it's up to us to set it right.

You wouldn't leave your children under the supervision of a babysitter that might not ever show up, would you? The world is full of children. And many of them suffer. I think you see my point.

[Everena]

Be that as it may, my beliefs are the only ones that would make this a fair and just universe and I refuse to believe that I live in a cruel unfair universe.

But it’s not a fair and just universe...

It certainly doesn't appear to be, and that is why reincarnation and karma are the only logical explanations that could possibly make it a fair and just universe.

[Joods]

So then starving children in third word countries don't exist to you? Famine and disease are just imaginations?

As I said, I think this is "hell" or karma,  playing itself out right in front our very eyes. And starving children could be souls who have come to teach us important lessons about generosity and compassion and kindness and empathy.

You're such a piece of shit. If this was my site, you'd have already been banned for your nonsense because there's only so much bullshit I can tolerate. Staff here have so much more patience than I ever will.

[Everena]

A six year old dying of cancer could be here to teach important lessons of compassion, kindness and empathy. And there is no real death when you believe in eternal life.

And your stupid god needs millions of them to teach the lessons ? ... how preposterous. What a lame rationalization.  
Your pretense that there is no death is utter poppycock. If someone doesn't believe in gravity, they still fall to their death. 
You have not one shred of evidence that belief (denial of death) precludes death. 
Differentiating between reality and fantasy is a stage in normal child development. 
Actually it's one of the landmarks of child development that you seem to have missed. 
http://northeastbookspublishing.net/ADHD...m-fantasy/

I believe we exist in two universes at the same time and never really die.

[Abaddon_ire]

Yet "goddidit" does?

Fascinating. Does it hurt when you breathe?

Yes that fact that higher intelligence created this universe with an important purpose definitely makes sense.

That is not a "fact". Do you know what would make it a fact? EVIDENCE.

But you have none. It is simply a bunch of imagination that you made up out of whole cloth as a kind of celestial comfort blanket for grown ups.

[Losty]

But it’s not a fair and just universe...

It certainly doesn't appear to be, and that is why reincarnation and karma are the only logical explanations that could possibly make it a fair and just universe.

Well crap...I already said you weren’t Little Rik. Don’t make me out to be a liar 😝