RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 14, 2018 at 1:52 pm
(This post was last modified: November 14, 2018 at 1:56 pm by Everena.)
(November 14, 2018 at 9:10 am)Khemikal Wrote:(November 13, 2018 at 5:39 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: Yes, but the capacity for them to exist had to be there.Sure, and since it was, and since both of those things..peeners and the will to use them...... did eventually arise by the entirely natural means of descent with modification...there is no need to invoke a meat fairy to explain either.
Everena: Define natural in that context. A clear concise defintion. And intelligence was required for us to have the DNA that communicates in 2 languages and creates eyes that can see, ears that can hear, nose that can smell, arms that can hug, legs that can walk, and yes genitals that can orgasm and reproduce. How can you even pretend to think that all that could come about from nothing with no intelligence? And we have conscious self awareness and intelligence and emotions and no one can effectively explain why or how, unless there is an intelligent agent involved. Face it- God does exist.
(November 13, 2018 at 7:01 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: How do you know if anyone was starving back then? You weren't there. And are you seriously claiming food does not grow naturally all over the earth? Have you never picked a berry, eaten an apple, had some nuts, rice, potatoes, Have you heard of the Paleo diet? People are slimming down all over the place from following it. My doctor even follows it. What people are doing is adding chemicals to food to make them more addicting so they rake in the bucks and they are making everyone fat. I know we have enhanced and sweetened some foods (for money again) but there is a ton of food that just tastes good naturally.The same way you could know, if you wanted to. We observe that the remains of human beings in pre agricultural societies show signs that would, if we saw them in a living human being today, indicate starvation (along with a whole host of other ailments we have since produced treatments for).
Everena: Yes people died at a younger age, but when you believe in eternal life, they just crossed over to a better place. Only atheists think death is bad,
The first agriculturalists were only marginally better off...and had to contend with what we call the hungry gap until suitable cold and hot weather cultivars, season extension methods...and inter-latitudinal trade were developed.
Of the list of things you just mentioned...berries, apples, nuts, rice, and taters...-all have been engineered by us to be as you know them today. They didn't start out that way. Berries and apples did not require the big, sweet, juicy fruits that you eat. In point of fact, those things are liabilities to both in the wild and you'll find that wild berries are more seed than anything else. Almonds, as an example..were bred out from a cultivar that was lethal to us, as were taters...and rice (like corn, form before) did not produce a useful seed until we sought to make it so.
Everena: None of that matters and there is still plenty of wild food all over the world that tastes good. We are intelligent beings and so what if we made stuff taste better? We had to have the brains and the materials to do it with and those things are also provided by our amazing planet.
Thje real paleo diet was something known as starving until you yourself were eaten. The paleo diet you are referring to..is marketing (I fucking knew it, part of your religion is based on quack advertising, lol),
Everena: I know what it is. I think a vegetarian diet is much better for you. However, the principles of surviving on natural foods that are less processed is also a positive health decision.
made possible by our having engineered those foodstuffs and created a system of distribution to get them to you.
Quote:Everena: We did not create food or anything else on this planet and why on earth do you think we did??? We just took what was already here and sometimes modified it (for more money)We modified living organisms simply to survive.
Everena: And we were able to do so with our planet provides, like I said before.
Agriculture predates money by a few thousand years...but, is actually one of the things we invented money for. It's not easy to carry a bushel of corn in your pocket.
(unless you have very, very large pockets)
Quote:Everena: False, all of what we eat grows naturally, (including meat,eggs, dairy) and then is sometimes later modified for a number of reasons including shelf life. Back to school with you.Agriculture is the definition of an unnatural system.
Everena: Nope. And stop making up stupid shit.
Ever notice that you don't run across tomato forests when you're out there camping?
Quote:Everena: False. We grow enough food each year to feed 10 billion people
Yes, -we- do..we engage in the systematic destruction of natural environments to favor (usually) a single crop, that we have created, and which cannot exist without our constant intervention....so that we might feed the people around us, which would otherwise be impossible...and..again, even while we do this, natural stocks collapse due to consumption and people still starve.
What does meat fairy do? What is meat fairy's contribution here?
Everena: I have deist beliefs . This planet is our responsibilty and our challenge. We have the brains, we have the materials and resources. It is pretty obvious that WE are supposed to be fixing our own problems.
Quote:Everena: If it's here, it's natural on our planet. We aren't making food out of stuff from other planetsThat you have an idiosyncratic definition of what is or isn't natural,
Everena: Everything that is food and everything that we use to make food is natural to our planet. We tamper with food in many ways, and more we tamper with it, the less nutritious it becomes.
the only purpose of which is to argue with me... doesn't demonstrate a thing or argue against any fact that I have seen fit to gift you with so that you don't sound like such an idiot going forward.
Quote:Everena: BullshitYou'll have to be a tad bit more specific, lol?
Quote:Everena: There are 7.8 million different species of life all accessing a food supply. 11.7 million when you include plant life that also requires food. Grip reality soon.Yes, and the food supply which they are accessing..is each other.
Everena: And the point still stands and no one is eating us. Why do these plants and animals provide us with food that not only tastes good, but also provides us with nutrients to stay alive? You cannot just write that off to luck or chance.
Quote:Everena: Social problems are ours to fix and we are perfectly capable of fixing them. Anything that is wrong here is our fault, not GodsAll problems of natural evil can only be your meat fairy's grand design
Everena: What the fuck is natural evil? There is no natural evil. People are evil sometimes and when they are intentionally evil, they suffer that pain back until they learn to be better people.
..and if there is no natural evil by which to refine us , then the soul mill has no engine by which to work. You cannot maintain this objection here and your beliefs..rationally, consistently, and simultaneously.
Either your god intentionally created us as we are, on this rock as it was, or it didn't. Make up your mind.
Everena: God only created this flesh. God did not create our souls/true selves. Our true selves always have been and always will be and we are here because we need improvement.
Quote: Everena: FALSE. We eat what is available to eat on this planet.LOL. OFC it is nutbar. And....?
Quote:Everena: False. I can go pick willd growing food right now. Grip reality soon.OFC you can, but that doesn;t change the fact that your fridge is chock full of shit that isn't "wild grown"...and theres a better than fair chance that whatever you're thinking of as "wild grown" food..is actually a product of our intervention.
Everena: Bullshit. There are blackberry bushes and huckleberry bushes and apple trees growing wild all over the place where I live and no human ever intervened.
(November 13, 2018 at 7:55 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: False. I am just not brainwashed by atheist propaganda and bullshit.If you could present some examples of atheist propaganda and bullshit that would be helpful. I'm not convinced that you even know what atheism is.
Everena: The God Delusion is atheist propaganda. A Universe from Nothing is atheist propaganda. You get the idea
Quote:Everena: Wow, I cannot believe I missed this beauty. There is nothing surviving and fucking that does not possess intelligence genius (except maybe you)That would be a discovery worthy of a nobel prize. Go, collect it.
Quote:"Nothing" doesn't care.....................................? Everena: EXACTLY Checkmate atheist, checkmate......Checkmate, what, pigeon?
-ya really need to learn to use the quote function..this shit is atrocious.