RE: Subjective Morality?
November 15, 2018 at 10:41 am
(This post was last modified: November 15, 2018 at 10:45 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 15, 2018 at 10:27 am)DLJ Wrote:This isn't something that a moral realist or subjectivist would disagree with. As I keep trying to impart upon you and others, regardless of the ontological status of morality we are subjective creatures and we are using our minds to try and determine the status of this that or the other. This is not what mind dependence (or independence) refers to.(November 15, 2018 at 9:36 am)Khemikal Wrote: ...
Then it would be no more accurate a picture of morality than creationism is an accurate picture of biology.
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An explanation in the form of information requires a mind to understand it. Evolution is similarly an explanation. It's algorithmic, as is morality.
We contend that there is a fact of the existence of our toes. A mind dependent toe is not a comment on how some mind believes that it has a toe, but that the toe literally exists only in the mind. A mind independent toe is not a comment about no mind believing that it has a toe, but that there literally is a toe regardless of what the mind believes about it's existence. This is what is being discussed by mind dependent toe facts, and mind independent toe facts...and it is also what's being discussed by mind dependent moral facts, and mind independent moral facts.
If your best practivist explanation of morality refers to no mind independent facts it is very literally a fact free belief in best practivism. How you determine the most practical course of action in the absence of any fact..is a mystery.
If your best practivist explanation of morality does refer to mind independent facts, then it is contended to be an objectively accurate description of morality.....and a full throated invocation of a subset of moral realism.
Quote:It's actually not that complicated. But it is complex.Meh, 1/10, low effort. That you wish to avoid the terms subjective and objective is nothing more than an indication that you would like to entirely avoid the discussion. You don't need to say anything to do that..and, in fact, saying nothing is the most practical way to avoid the discussion.
Objectively = quantitatively measurable
True = a label (t/f) attributed to a proposition for a given epistemology
Objectively true = quantitatively measurable proposition for a given epistemology
It could be similarly described as subjectively true in that it contains also qualitative metrics.
This is why the words 'subjective' and 'objective' are best avoided altogether.
The model of morality contains no morality.
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