DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[Mister Agenda]

The word 'intelligent' is ambiguous. In common language, it connotes exceptional intelligence, but I gather you are using it in its most basic sense of being capable of behavior, including machine-like intelligence.

Everena: No, machines do not have intelligence of any kind.

Kudos on using the quote function correctly. We have designed machines that can learn from their environment, with intelligence comparable to an ant's. You have stated that ants are intelligent.

All life is intelligent in the sense that it can have an automatic reaction to stimuli.
Computers and biological viruses can do the same, even though they aren't, strictly speaking, alive.

Everena: No they can't. They are programmed by conscious and intelligent people or they would do nothing.

Why is that a distinction for you, when you believe that conscious and intelligent people were designed to have the capabilities that they do?

The way you phrased your initial assertion that intelligence is required for life to exist seemed to heavily imply that you were talking about the godlike intelligence of a creator deity, not the perishable and very limited intelligence common to bacteria and humans.

Everena: Bacteria does not have intelligence. It is comparable to plant life, not conscious life and there are many important distinctions. This is from an earlier post of mine when you were not here. This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence. How and why do we have consciousness? Science doesn't know the answer to that. And science does not even attempt to answer any of the whys of our existence. Like why do we exist at all? Science only attempts to discover and understand how an already existing and operating universe works. And food is evidence of God. Why do we have food for every fish, bird, insect, ... food for the approx 7.8 million different species of conscious life? Something like food being here, and being delicious and providing energy and nutrients cannot just be written off to chance or luck. Also, it is statistically impossible for all the functions of the human body to have evolved without some intelligent force underlying it all. Additionally, why would we even have a sex drive or a will to live? Just because of nothing and for no reason? How would nothingness care if our species survived? Also, we have discovered approx 200 billion different galaxies. Do you really think humans are the highest form of intelligence in 200 billion galaxies? Add all that to a planet with a enormous amount of useful materials and resources and it becomes very evident that higher intelligence must exist.

'Conscious' and 'intelligent' are two different things. Bacteria and plants and viruses and certain machines are capable of sensing and acting on stimuli, a basic form of intelligence. The intelligence of an ant is similar, just more advanced. I never claimed they were conscious.

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Everena: If you are an atheist, then you are indeed claiming it did.

The only thing all atheists claim is that they don't believe in any gods or God. There are atheists who don't accept evolution. There are atheists who believe in astrology, or ghosts. This particular site is a much a skeptic's site as an atheist's site, so those atheists tend not to thrive here; but they do exist. As far as the universe goes, the most common opinion among the atheists on this site might be stated as 'we don't know the ultimate origin of the universe, but we strongly suspect it's natural causes all the way down, because all the causes we've ever found for anything that is found in nature have been natural and we have no good reason to think that's suddenly going to change'. It's inferential logic, and it has a good track record so far.