DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[CDF47]

But, Min, those guys fighting over the differences are not true Scotsmen believers.

That's correct because actual religious people would be following their religions commandments, not breaking them. Very good Gent! 

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Yeah, mine would be pretty bad.  I forgot what it was at TTA if they have that there.  

Yeah, if I see that, I will let you know.

Thank you for your well thought out introduction on this thread CDF47. The more I debate with atheists, the more sure I am that I am right, and I hope the same is true for you.

No problem.  Glad you joined in.  Yeah, they tend to strengthen my beliefs as well, that is true.

[GrandizerII]

That's correct because actual religious people would be following their religions commandments, not breaking them. Very good Gent! 

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Thank you for your well thought out introduction on this thread CDF47. The more I debate with atheists, the more sure I am that I am right, and I hope the same is true for you.

No problem.  Glad you joined in.  Yeah, they tend to strengthen my beliefs as well, that is true.

I mean that's a well known phenomenon in social psychology.

[CarveTheFive]

Thread is still shit.

[Amarok]

No problem.  Glad you joined in.  Yeah, they tend to strengthen my beliefs as well, that is true.

I mean that's a well known phenomenon in social psychology.

It's more like she's seeks mental reinforcement.

[Angrboda]

A microwave oven emits detectable energy that cannot be created or destroyed. The piddling amount of electrochemical discharge leaking from you in any form is swamped by noise and lacking a suitable matrix to interact in. It sure as shit isn't going to heaven. There is no energy emitted by a human that can't be explained in terms of simple brain chemistry.

Consciousness and emotions can be witched off with chemicals or physical injury. Congrats, you've discovered the mind and brain.

I was not shouting at you. Also I was not talking about radiation. 

I'm talking about detectable energy of our brain waves. This is from the Journal of Biomedical Science and Engineering. (An acual scientific journal abstract that specifically mentions our soul)

http://file.scirp.org/Html/1-9101921_47331.htm

Abstract:
Brainwave is a kind of traceable neurophysiological energy in a living brain. Invisible to human eyes, it is only detectable using electroencephalography (EEG), electrocorticography (ECoG) and magnetoencephalography (MEG). The waves or oscillations or rhythms are produced mainly by the oscillatory networks of the brain. Three main oscillatory networks are thalamocortical, extrathalamic-cortical and cortical-cortical networks. Greater limbic system (reticular system, hypothalamus, thalamus, basal forebrain nuclei, limbic system) has a great influence on these oscillatory networks. This system which is in microgravity position lies deep inside and surrounded by the ventricles of the brain. It receives all information from inside and outside of our body and then projects to all areas of the brain (from all to one and from one to all—nearly similar concept to “from God back to God”). Therefore, the greater limbic system could be regarded as “a core of the neuroaxis” which lies in microgravity compartment and in microgravity position (“T”-shape or curving shape; whilst gravity position is “I”-shape or vertical shape). By knowing the origin of the brainwaves and methods to detect them, one may study seizure networks, normal and abnormal brain networks and arguably, even to explore the relationship between the “invisibles”: “invisible” brainwaves and “invisible” soul.

[unfogged]

If your mythology isn't even coherent why would I give your opinions on science a single thought?

[Angrboda]

Jörmungandr:
(Some weird french fries pictures claiming all religious people are crazy)

Everena: Yes, almost the entire world is crazy and YOU who have admitted to being psychotic and delusional are sane. Uh huh.

So you're admitting that you have no experience with having a delusion and coming out the other side. Given that, I must repeat my question, which you have twice deflected instead of answering.

If you were deluded, how would you know?

[Mister Agenda]

Yes tautological and it absolutely requires an intelligent agent.

Tautological and it can't possibly be otherwise, so no designer necessary. That doesn't mean there isn't one, just that one isn't needed to explain why there is not more life that can be supported by the available food. Any excess dies, because there isn't enough food.

[The Grand Nudger]

Yabut, how could there be dicks if there were no dickgod to glue them on, huh, answer that heathen! 

[Mister Agenda]

The word 'intelligent' is ambiguous. In common language, it connotes exceptional intelligence, but I gather you are using it in its most basic sense of being capable of behavior, including machine-like intelligence.

Everena: No, machines do not have intelligence of any kind.

Kudos on using the quote function correctly. We have designed machines that can learn from their environment, with intelligence comparable to an ant's. You have stated that ants are intelligent.

All life is intelligent in the sense that it can have an automatic reaction to stimuli.
Computers and biological viruses can do the same, even though they aren't, strictly speaking, alive.

Everena: No they can't. They are programmed by conscious and intelligent people or they would do nothing.

Why is that a distinction for you, when you believe that conscious and intelligent people were designed to have the capabilities that they do?

The way you phrased your initial assertion that intelligence is required for life to exist seemed to heavily imply that you were talking about the godlike intelligence of a creator deity, not the perishable and very limited intelligence common to bacteria and humans.

Everena: Bacteria does not have intelligence. It is comparable to plant life, not conscious life and there are many important distinctions. This is from an earlier post of mine when you were not here. This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence. How and why do we have consciousness? Science doesn't know the answer to that. And science does not even attempt to answer any of the whys of our existence. Like why do we exist at all? Science only attempts to discover and understand how an already existing and operating universe works. And food is evidence of God. Why do we have food for every fish, bird, insect, ... food for the approx 7.8 million different species of conscious life? Something like food being here, and being delicious and providing energy and nutrients cannot just be written off to chance or luck. Also, it is statistically impossible for all the functions of the human body to have evolved without some intelligent force underlying it all. Additionally, why would we even have a sex drive or a will to live? Just because of nothing and for no reason? How would nothingness care if our species survived? Also, we have discovered approx 200 billion different galaxies. Do you really think humans are the highest form of intelligence in 200 billion galaxies? Add all that to a planet with a enormous amount of useful materials and resources and it becomes very evident that higher intelligence must exist.

'Conscious' and 'intelligent' are two different things. Bacteria and plants and viruses and certain machines are capable of sensing and acting on stimuli, a basic form of intelligence. The intelligence of an ant is similar, just more advanced. I never claimed they were conscious.

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Everena: If you are an atheist, then you are indeed claiming it did.

The only thing all atheists claim is that they don't believe in any gods or God. There are atheists who don't accept evolution. There are atheists who believe in astrology, or ghosts. This particular site is a much a skeptic's site as an atheist's site, so those atheists tend not to thrive here; but they do exist. As far as the universe goes, the most common opinion among the atheists on this site might be stated as 'we don't know the ultimate origin of the universe, but we strongly suspect it's natural causes all the way down, because all the causes we've ever found for anything that is found in nature have been natural and we have no good reason to think that's suddenly going to change'. It's inferential logic, and it has a good track record so far.