(December 6, 2018 at 9:57 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:(December 6, 2018 at 5:25 am)pocaracas Wrote: I'd say that, when people are discussing religion, "existence" pertains to only non-fictional things or characters; physical existence.
Certainly, there must be some physicality to fictional things, as they must somehow occupy the mental space, but those are solely in that mental realm, and without any presence outside of minds.
Scooby Doo exists as a fictional character, as a mental construct, well known to be a human invention and not an actual existing dog outside of human minds.
The concept of god, however, if it is fiction, is not well known to be a human construct, because it has been in human minds since before the advent of writing. Couple that unknown with the generations of people convinced of the actual existence of the god character and you have grounds for much misinformation.
On the other hand, if the god concept is not fiction, its apparent absence out of human minds does raise the question of what is the role of the clergy. Are they actual representatives or charlatans with (mostly) good intentions?
I agree.
If it's unknown, should the starting point be "I believe this thing exists and I'll do anything to find it and convince others that it exists so that they too can look for it", or "I have no reason to accept that this thing exists, but if it is found then lets add it to our collection of knowledge"?
But what you're making is an ascertain that can't be validated. You can't conclusively and exhaustively demonstrate that the only possible form is only rooted in fiction. So if you come to a conclusion prematurely, what good does it do you or anybody else? There would be more value in saying,
"I don't believe it exists, but it may exist in some form beyond my understanding. Let's continue to study until we can assure that the information is conclusive and exhaustive of all other possibilities"
Now you haven't committed to anything, it doesn't change your overall view that it doesn't exist, and it continues to allow for unbiased study. Once you get there, then you can expand your study and knowledge to a bazillion other things. Say something does exist...
Does it exist organically or inorganically?
Is it a solid, liquid, gas, or can its form be modified or itself or something else?
How does it both interact and impact the environment?
The reason we use things like the scientific method is so that knowledge becomes expansive rather then exhaustive. Even if we rule something out, we can move on to the next relationship, and so on indefinitely.
I'm sorry.... I'm not sure what you're answering to, nor what your point is supposed to be.
Can you rephrase your idea, please?