RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 12, 2018 at 12:09 pm
(This post was last modified: December 12, 2018 at 12:38 pm by Simon Moon.)
(December 11, 2018 at 9:18 pm)Agnostico Wrote: Seriously guys ur arguing among urselves. Just look at how many different theories, opinions and definitions everyone has presented.
The only thing all atheists have in common is our lack of belief in the existence of gods.
Why would you expect us all to have the same opinions on all other subjects?
There is no atheist doctrine or dogma.
Quote:People trying to force me to be atheist because i only deal in knowledge... Goodness gracious fallacious.
Wow! So much wrong in only one sentence.
We are not "forcing you to be an atheist". If you currently do not accept the premise that at least one god exists as being true, you are an atheist. It's definitional.
It's impossible to "only deal in knowledge". Knowledge is a subset of belief.
Everyone has beliefs and disbeliefs. A belief is simply accepting a premise or proposition as being true. Even premises or propositions you may claim as knowledge, you also believe them.
Quote:And to think how many blind people are being pushed into atheism like this... Its deceiving to suggest u can't be agnostic without some kind of belief based label attached to it... Its a GIGANTIC fallacy and the more people try to define my position as atheist the more suspicious this all looks.
Atheism is simply not being convinced (accept as true) that a god or gods exist. Are you convinced that a god exists? If you answer "yes", you are a theist. If you are not convinced a god exists, you are an atheist. Whether you have some unjustified problem with that label, don't use it for yourself.
Exactly which fallacies are we guilty of?
Quote:Im being branded a theist without any evidence. Guilty without trial. And in the face of all this barbaric behavior and abuse I still remain civilized.
Im basically giving u guys a chance to explain yourselves to someone who only deals in knowledge.
Again, if you currently do not accept the premise that a god exists as being true, you are an atheist. Atheism is only a single position on a single claim.
The claim is - at least one god exists.
If you accept this as being true, you are a theist.
If you do not, you are an atheist.
That's it. What other baggage do you think belongs to the atheist label?
Quote:Its not a positive start for atheism here.
So, your flawed understanding of the concepts of atheism, belief, and knowledge have lead you to negative misconceptions of atheism.
We are deeply upset
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
