RE: Human Intelligence is an Illusion
December 15, 2018 at 1:43 pm
(This post was last modified: December 15, 2018 at 1:45 pm by Angrboda.)
Oh, now we have what 'atheists' mean when they refer to intelligence. Well. That's different. Where did you derive that fact from? Did you take a survey?
I doubt strongly that atheists have their own, uniquely atheist definition of intelligence. What you have described is the presence or absence of will. It's not at all clear that will is predicated upon intelligence as a necessary and sufficient condition, nor that, even if it is, that intelligence cannot exist without will. It's not clear which direction you are claiming the arrows are pointing. If they are the other direction, that will is a necessary precondition for intelligence, then I'd say you haven't demonstrated that so much as simply asserted that will as you conceive it, essentially libertarian will, is a necessary aspect of intelligence. It would seem that freedom to act, deterministic or not, is the only necessary constraint upon intelligence, and on that account, the calculator is indeed intelligent, as it meets the earlier definition of the ability to solve novel problems (the novel part may be in doubt, but I know from my experience studying the design of logical circuits that it is so). So, at issue the only thing under debate is your definition of intelligence versus other possible definitions of intelligence. You were offered an alternative, which you have summarily ignored, simply to push your own, rather idiosyncratic definition. Even then, you aren't particularly convincing. It seems that you've accomplished little more than straw manning common definitions of intelligence and introducing one of your own invention that's not particularly compelling. What had you hoped to accomplish?
I doubt strongly that atheists have their own, uniquely atheist definition of intelligence. What you have described is the presence or absence of will. It's not at all clear that will is predicated upon intelligence as a necessary and sufficient condition, nor that, even if it is, that intelligence cannot exist without will. It's not clear which direction you are claiming the arrows are pointing. If they are the other direction, that will is a necessary precondition for intelligence, then I'd say you haven't demonstrated that so much as simply asserted that will as you conceive it, essentially libertarian will, is a necessary aspect of intelligence. It would seem that freedom to act, deterministic or not, is the only necessary constraint upon intelligence, and on that account, the calculator is indeed intelligent, as it meets the earlier definition of the ability to solve novel problems (the novel part may be in doubt, but I know from my experience studying the design of logical circuits that it is so). So, at issue the only thing under debate is your definition of intelligence versus other possible definitions of intelligence. You were offered an alternative, which you have summarily ignored, simply to push your own, rather idiosyncratic definition. Even then, you aren't particularly convincing. It seems that you've accomplished little more than straw manning common definitions of intelligence and introducing one of your own invention that's not particularly compelling. What had you hoped to accomplish?
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