(January 1, 2019 at 2:51 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:(January 1, 2019 at 9:39 am)pocaracas Wrote: Oh, FFS! You all are acting like children!
New Year, new leaf, new chapter.
Yes, there are atheists groups who gather in churches.
Yes, DNA is complex.
Yes, science is seemingly our best method to discover reality.
And yes, if God is real, then science is our best method to know about it.
That science hasn't produced anything on any god is hinting that there is no god to discover... Certainly no god that could have been discovered by pre-writing peoples, such as the Abrahamic god which is a mere conceptual evolution of gods from Mesopotamia.
At best, the god that is real is the god of the philosophers. Any god from any religion that man has come up with is just that: wishful thinking, imagination, and an inability to grasp the complexities of the reality around us.
I'm sure many of the prophets, wise men, and religious leaders of old had good intentions and likely even believed what they claimed. But they doesn't make it true, that doesn't make it an accurate description of reality.
The notions behind intelligent design are all based on faulty reasoning.
CDF can't comprehend how a process that rewards with survival and reproduction those structures which are, at each instant, better suited for those tasks... how such rewarding can, in time, lead those structures to present an amazing complexity.
It's his faulty brain, arising through genetics and society, that can't grasp the enormity of time involved in here, the quickness of organic chemistry, and how a series of fortunate events can naturally lead to the DNA we observe on all living creatures on Earth. His brain, a product of this evolutionary process, evolving to find patterns, even where there are none, evolving to be immersed in a religious society and thus making it easy for him to perceive the religious pattern where it is not present.
M4x, you're similar.
Like us all, a product of genetics and society... With society also influencing genetics.
At this moment in human technological and scientific evolution, it is impossible to be 100% certain of these matters. But we can operate on degrees of probability.
And given the absence of the divine in scientific findings concerning reality, I attribute that divine factor to have a very low probability of existing outside human minds.
You can agree, or agree to disagree.
But all this idiotic back and forth show that you've been putting on is just... pathetic.
Jorm has, of late, been trying engage properly... But was the only one.
Peace out, happy New Year!
You are always fair and kind, and I can honestly say I've enjoyed my conversations with you.
Thank, man.
I've also enjoyed my conversations with you, but I must admit I don't enjoy many of the conversations you have with others... they seem more like "did too, did not, did too, did not, did too, did not"... it's a frustrating read.
