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Illegal Immigration
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RE: Illegal Immigration
(January 4, 2019 at 1:51 pm)Lek Wrote: I live in the "sanctuary state" of California which refuses to aid ICE in apprehending people who are here illegally and actually seems to encourage people to come here illegally. I'm totally in favor of allowing immigration into the US and see our liberal immigration quotas as a positive.  What I don't understand is how we can exist as a nation if we don't have control over who enters the country.  I have a question for those who agree with the state of California and are against prosecuting those who have entered the country illegally or preventing undocumented people from crossing into the country as they wish.  What is your rationale and why is this good for us?

1. Entering without papers is not treated by the government like a violent felonies.

2. Most violations of staying are from overstaying visas.

3. Most migrants ARE NOT VIOLENT.

4. The majority of people in American's prisons ARE people born here with legal status.

5. Put yourself in your fellow human's shoes. If you are fleeing famine, violence and especially war, and especially if you have kids, you are not out to commit crimes, you are out to survive, that is what life does, including humans.

I am all for kicking violent people out, I am not for treating non violent humans like garbage. I am not for sending people, especially kids back to where they risk death.

There is a humanitarian crisis in Central America causing innocent people to flee. But as far as drugs, most of the opiate crisis is caused by big pharma over prescribing leading the addict buy pills from others, and or turning to heroin. But even with illegal drugs, those are not coming in across rivers, deserts or mountain ranges as a majority. The majority of the time the drugs are coming in hidden in cars, pickups and 18 wheelers hidden, but coming in through established ports. 

I have TWO Hispanic families living on both sides of me. They have lived next to me for the past 10 years, I have not had one lick of problems with them. They have kids. I am not going to rat them out or even want them deported regardless of their status. 

If you vilify people based on lack of papers, even if they are not violent, that will actually increase crime, not decrease it, but cause they will fear police and be less likely to report crime. Allowing them to live without fear will reduce crime and allow them to be more likely to report those whom should be deported whom are violent.

Just on topography the wall is a waste of money not to mention you can climb over them, or dig under them, and again, most migrants try to enter at established ports. The myth of the dangerous desert crossing is just that. It is far more likely that people will hide in the backs of trailer trucks or in car trunks. 
And boats can and are used to cross the ocean around borders too.

The POTUS is simply pandering to hate and fear  and nothing  more. Keeping violent people out is one thing, basing that on the bigoted assumption that most entering are violent and basing that on race and nationality is simply false, and inhumane regardless.
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Illegal Immigration - by Lek - January 4, 2019 at 1:51 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by onlinebiker - January 4, 2019 at 2:09 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by no one - January 4, 2019 at 2:43 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by brewer - January 4, 2019 at 4:38 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 4, 2019 at 4:50 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Lek - January 4, 2019 at 4:56 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 4, 2019 at 5:08 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Lek - January 4, 2019 at 5:32 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 4, 2019 at 5:57 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Lek - January 4, 2019 at 6:28 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 4, 2019 at 7:37 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Lek - January 4, 2019 at 8:21 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by rexbeccarox - January 4, 2019 at 11:59 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Fake Messiah - January 5, 2019 at 12:55 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Mister Agenda - January 5, 2019 at 9:40 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Losty - January 10, 2019 at 2:26 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by onlinebiker - January 10, 2019 at 10:01 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 10, 2019 at 2:04 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Brian37 - January 10, 2019 at 2:22 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Mister Agenda - January 5, 2019 at 9:31 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Fireball - January 5, 2019 at 11:02 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Drich - February 12, 2019 at 4:24 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by The Grand Nudger - January 5, 2019 at 2:43 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by vulcanlogician - January 5, 2019 at 11:59 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Cecelia - January 5, 2019 at 9:39 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Jackalope - January 5, 2019 at 11:47 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Mister Agenda - January 7, 2019 at 10:26 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Lek - January 5, 2019 at 2:21 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Jane2d - January 5, 2019 at 2:35 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Pat Mustard - January 5, 2019 at 7:43 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 5, 2019 at 2:42 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Mermaid - January 5, 2019 at 2:49 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Lek - January 5, 2019 at 5:00 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Mermaid - January 5, 2019 at 5:21 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 5, 2019 at 6:19 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Lek - January 5, 2019 at 9:49 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Amarok - January 6, 2019 at 9:53 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Brian37 - January 6, 2019 at 10:18 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Amarok - January 6, 2019 at 10:30 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Lek - January 6, 2019 at 6:33 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Amarok - January 7, 2019 at 3:46 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Jane2d - January 6, 2019 at 11:17 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Amarok - January 6, 2019 at 11:49 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Natachan - January 6, 2019 at 11:47 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Brian37 - January 7, 2019 at 9:15 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Aoi Magi - January 6, 2019 at 1:31 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by LadyForCamus - January 6, 2019 at 7:34 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Mermaid - January 6, 2019 at 8:25 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 7, 2019 at 7:26 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Natachan - January 7, 2019 at 10:24 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Angrboda - January 7, 2019 at 11:42 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by tackattack - January 7, 2019 at 12:10 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Lek - January 7, 2019 at 1:37 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 7, 2019 at 1:43 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by LadyForCamus - January 7, 2019 at 10:30 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Brian37 - January 7, 2019 at 4:59 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Natachan - January 7, 2019 at 2:16 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Jane2d - January 8, 2019 at 12:13 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Angrboda - January 8, 2019 at 12:41 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Pat Mustard - January 8, 2019 at 3:51 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by bennyboy - January 8, 2019 at 11:46 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 8, 2019 at 9:22 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Amarok - January 8, 2019 at 9:25 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by bennyboy - January 8, 2019 at 9:46 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 8, 2019 at 9:57 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by onlinebiker - January 8, 2019 at 10:17 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Amarok - January 8, 2019 at 11:30 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Brian37 - January 8, 2019 at 5:44 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by bennyboy - January 8, 2019 at 11:45 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Brian37 - January 10, 2019 at 12:19 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Mister Agenda - January 11, 2019 at 1:02 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by arewethereyet - January 13, 2019 at 11:31 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Yonadav - January 13, 2019 at 11:54 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by arewethereyet - January 13, 2019 at 1:15 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Yonadav - January 13, 2019 at 1:17 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Mister Agenda - January 14, 2019 at 3:51 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 8, 2019 at 9:54 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Dmitry1983 - January 8, 2019 at 11:10 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 8, 2019 at 2:42 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by onlinebiker - January 8, 2019 at 4:11 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Amarok - January 8, 2019 at 5:26 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 8, 2019 at 4:24 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by onlinebiker - January 8, 2019 at 5:24 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 8, 2019 at 5:30 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by onlinebiker - January 8, 2019 at 11:36 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Jane2d - January 8, 2019 at 10:08 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by SteelCurtain - January 8, 2019 at 11:45 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by SteelCurtain - January 9, 2019 at 8:56 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by The Grand Nudger - January 10, 2019 at 2:51 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Pat Mustard - January 11, 2019 at 7:49 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Brian37 - January 11, 2019 at 8:41 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Yonadav - January 12, 2019 at 7:06 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Jane2d - January 12, 2019 at 11:59 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by SteelCurtain - January 12, 2019 at 1:32 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Jane2d - January 13, 2019 at 11:17 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Yonadav - January 13, 2019 at 11:30 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Mister Agenda - January 16, 2019 at 10:13 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by camoman - January 13, 2019 at 1:33 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 13, 2019 at 1:58 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Cecelia - January 14, 2019 at 1:59 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Yonadav - January 13, 2019 at 2:14 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by FlyingNarwhal - January 13, 2019 at 3:35 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Yonadav - January 13, 2019 at 4:33 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by FlyingNarwhal - January 14, 2019 at 10:49 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Yonadav - January 14, 2019 at 11:43 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by FlyingNarwhal - January 14, 2019 at 12:39 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by LadyForCamus - January 14, 2019 at 5:20 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Yonadav - January 14, 2019 at 5:47 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Angrboda - January 15, 2019 at 10:52 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Yonadav - January 15, 2019 at 11:10 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Pat Mustard - January 14, 2019 at 7:00 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 14, 2019 at 3:43 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Brian37 - January 14, 2019 at 3:53 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 14, 2019 at 3:56 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Brian37 - January 14, 2019 at 4:17 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 14, 2019 at 6:19 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Brian37 - January 16, 2019 at 7:21 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by downbeatplumb - January 19, 2019 at 12:26 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Yonadav - January 19, 2019 at 12:54 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Amarok - January 19, 2019 at 12:57 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Yonadav - January 19, 2019 at 1:09 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Amarok - January 19, 2019 at 1:11 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Brian37 - January 25, 2019 at 11:14 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Pat Mustard - January 26, 2019 at 9:04 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by FlyingNarwhal - January 15, 2019 at 9:52 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Divinity - January 15, 2019 at 10:16 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Amarok - January 17, 2019 at 5:28 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by The Grand Nudger - January 17, 2019 at 6:32 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Yonadav - January 17, 2019 at 10:32 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Amarok - January 18, 2019 at 12:55 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Jane2d - January 25, 2019 at 11:06 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by LadyForCamus - January 25, 2019 at 11:10 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by The Grand Nudger - January 25, 2019 at 11:18 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Lek - February 12, 2019 at 1:46 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Amarok - February 12, 2019 at 9:51 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Fake Messiah - February 13, 2019 at 1:10 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by The Grand Nudger - February 12, 2019 at 1:49 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Lek - February 12, 2019 at 2:02 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Divinity - February 12, 2019 at 2:10 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Lek - February 12, 2019 at 2:35 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by The Grand Nudger - February 12, 2019 at 2:38 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by The Grand Nudger - February 12, 2019 at 4:30 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2019 at 1:16 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Lek - February 13, 2019 at 5:05 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2019 at 5:07 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Lek - February 13, 2019 at 5:21 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 13, 2019 at 5:53 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2019 at 5:34 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Lek - February 13, 2019 at 6:20 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Yonadav - February 13, 2019 at 6:52 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Fake Messiah - February 14, 2019 at 2:37 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Amarok - February 14, 2019 at 2:40 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Fake Messiah - February 14, 2019 at 3:15 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Lek - February 14, 2019 at 1:42 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Amarok - February 14, 2019 at 7:46 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Fake Messiah - February 15, 2019 at 3:06 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Pat Mustard - February 13, 2019 at 6:26 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Lek - February 13, 2019 at 6:36 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Brian37 - February 13, 2019 at 6:56 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Lek - February 13, 2019 at 7:24 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2019 at 6:47 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Lek - February 13, 2019 at 6:52 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2019 at 6:58 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2019 at 7:25 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Lek - February 13, 2019 at 8:39 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2019 at 9:07 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Lek - February 13, 2019 at 9:35 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by arewethereyet - February 13, 2019 at 10:15 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Yonadav - February 13, 2019 at 10:28 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Lek - February 13, 2019 at 10:29 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Yonadav - February 13, 2019 at 10:37 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by arewethereyet - February 13, 2019 at 10:47 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Amarok - February 14, 2019 at 1:44 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Cecelia - February 14, 2019 at 2:12 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Amarok - February 14, 2019 at 2:15 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by The Grand Nudger - February 14, 2019 at 1:46 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by The Grand Nudger - February 14, 2019 at 10:53 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Amarok - February 15, 2019 at 2:28 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by LadyForCamus - February 14, 2019 at 11:10 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Fireball - February 14, 2019 at 11:32 pm
RE: Illegal Immigration - by The Grand Nudger - February 15, 2019 at 12:45 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by Fireball - February 15, 2019 at 1:37 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by The Grand Nudger - February 15, 2019 at 2:32 am
RE: Illegal Immigration - by The Grand Nudger - February 15, 2019 at 3:16 am

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